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I also believe that a societal expectation for that course–abort the “defective–is being forged.

This is the "Brave New World" that the eugenicists have been pushing for over a century.

1 posted on 05/22/2011 9:51:33 AM PDT by wagglebee
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2 posted on 05/22/2011 9:52:40 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 05/22/2011 9:53:53 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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The frogs need to be checking for frog genes and jihadi genes.


4 posted on 05/22/2011 10:08:40 AM PDT by Paladin2
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5 posted on 05/22/2011 10:10:12 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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I sat in church today next to a woman who has an extremely mentally handicapped child. She is there every week.

He cannot even eat by himself. She holds him and his tubefeeding in the back during service, and hugs and kisses him the entire time. He smiles and rolls his eyes, about all he can do. A few times she holds him on his feet during the sermon, so his legs stretch a bit.

I kept thinking, this is love. It blesses her as much as it does him.


7 posted on 05/22/2011 10:31:39 AM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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I recall a British woman being pressured her “Down’s Syndrome” baby a few years ago. She refused and the baby turned out to be perfectly normal.


8 posted on 05/22/2011 10:35:21 AM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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People with down syndrome are people! They deserve life! Who in France is so wonderful and perfect that they are better than a child with downs? The IMF chief??


9 posted on 05/22/2011 10:36:01 AM PDT by Yaelle
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Had this talk with someone at work the other day. Seems to be the “conventional wisdom” that killing downs kids is preferred to letting them live. Easier for society that way.

Lets just say the barbarian (me) was not impressed.

11 posted on 05/22/2011 12:44:57 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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The more I read articles like this, the more convinced I become that God must personally intervene in our world to save us from ourselves. I generally strongly dislike the source of the following column, but this was sent to me by a friend recently, and it seems to apply to the topic of this thread:

‘Natural Disasters Are Never a Punishment from God’

Marian T. Horvat, Ph.D.
My friend Jan was confused after reading the Good Friday sermon delivered by papal preacher Fr. Raneiro Cantalamessa in St. Peter’s Basilica. At the end of the sermon on God’s charity, he made a reference to the recent tsunami in Japan: “Earthquakes, hurricanes and other disasters that hit guilty and innocent alike are never a punishment from God. To say otherwise means offending God and man.”

This was a shock to Jan, who had learned in the “old teaching” of the Church that the chastisements of God are, in fact, a charity. God chastises us in this life for our good: to stop us from sinning and to convert us so we escape eternal punishment. “It is most merciful of the Lord not to let iniquity pass unpunished,” said St. Augustine.

papal preacher, Fr. Raniero Cantalamessa

Fr. Cantalamessa at his sermon before the Pope
By “old teaching,” Jan meant the pre-Vatican II catechism. Since the Council, we have been bombarded with a new teaching on an unconditionally merciful God who loves and saves everyone, regardless of the atrocity of their sins or the false religion (or non-religion) they profess (or do not profess). The Good Friday sermon was particularly shocking, Jan commented to me, because the words were said in front of the Benedict XVI, who listened complacently giving them his tacit approval.

“How could he be silent?,” Jan wondered aloud to me. “Doesn’t he believe that earthquakes depend on the will of God, and that He sends them because man has abandoned his law and merits such chastisement?”

She is right. Punishment is drawn down upon man by his sins. But it is also a grace, an important grace, since it serves to save him from eternal destruction. God deals mercifully with the sinner when he sends tribulation to invite him to open his eyes to his miserable condition and to return to the favor of God. This is what anyone can deduce of the teaching of St. Peter (2 Pet. 2:5-9).

In fact, it would seem that this teaching would never be as timely and needed as it is today, when all the nations have turned their backs on the Law of God and society is corrupt to its very core.

However, the Capuchin papal preacher completely turned around this constant teaching of the Church. To say that a chastisement cannot come down form Heaven because it would “offend God and man” is to go against Scripture, Church tradition as well as the teaching of past Popes, Church Fathers and Saints.

The penitential processions

In times of plague, earthquake, famine and other hardships, it was common for the clergy – and often even Popes – to hold a penitential procession, with chanting of litanies invoking God and the Saints asking for relief. The medieval Church instituted Rogation days, four days specially set aside for prayer and fasting to appease God's anger at man's transgressions and to ask protection in calamities such as plagues, floods, famines and other natural disasters. The Major Rogation was set on March 25 to commemorate the famous penitential procession of Pope St. Gregory the Great through the city of Rome when a plague was devastating the city in 590.

St. Gregory, penitential procession, plague

St. Michael appears and signals an end to the plague
St. Gregory addressed the people of Rome, exhorting them to penance to avert the chastisement of God. Then, the whole population of Rome joined in the penitential procession through the ruins of the deserted city.

Contrary to the teaching of the papal preacher, God was not offended at the Pope’s prayer to avert the hand of His Divine Justice. Instead, He showed his pleasure by sending a great miracle. As St. Gregory, heading the penitents and bearing a picture of Our Lady painted by the Apostle Luke, reached the bridge on the way to St. Peters, a heavenly vision greeted the eyes of the people. St. Michael descended over Hadrian’s Mausoleum and placed a flaming sword in its sheath – a sign that the plague had been stayed.

Later that mausoleum received the name of San Angelo in memory of the miracle and was transformed into a papal palace. Over the chapel on its summit is the bronze figure that still stands today of the Archangel, his wings outstretched, sheathing his sword. Some historians propose the penitential procession of 590 and that great miracle can be regarded as the beginning of Rome’s Middle Ages. (1)

Of course that penitential procession led by a Pontiff and followed by his people was not at all offensive to God and man. Rather, for centuries it was officially commemorated by the Church on the Great Rogation Day. Future Popes, Bishops and priests followed the example of St. Gregory the Great, and when calamity struck or a natural disaster threatened, penitential processions were held to avert the punishment of God against unrepentant sinners.

It seems to me that instead of preaching the falsity that ‘God never sends natural disasters’ to punish man for his grievous sins, the papal preacher would do better exhort the Pope to follow the example of his predecessor St. Gregory and call the entire world to abandon its sinful life.

In contradiction with Fatima

The words of the papal preacher are also contradicted by the message of the Mother of God to an errant world at Fatima. There she confirmed Church teaching, telling us that war was a punishment from God for sins. In the first prophecy of Fatima, the children were shown a terrifying vision of Hell and were told “that is where poor sinners go.” Then the three children were told that the war that was taking place – World War I – would soon end. But Our Lady warned: “If the people do not cease offending God, a worse one will break out during the reign of Pius XI.”

She continued, "When you see a night illumined by an unknown light, know that this is the great sign given you by God that is going to punish the world for its crimes, by means of war, famine, and persecutions of the Church and the Holy Father.” Clearly, Our Lady was teaching us that God does punish the sins of man. Sadly, her warning was not heeded, and in 1939 a second and worse war fell upon an unrepentant West. It was Our Lady herself who came to warn mankind that God would punish man for his sins unless measures were taken.

In view of this, one cannot help but wonder why an official papal preacher and Benedict XVI himself can fall so far from the clear tradition of the Church on the chastisements sent by God..
1. To read the complete text of P. Raniero Cantalamessa in Italian, click here; in English, click here
2. Ferdinand Gregorovius, History of the city of Rome in the Middle Ages, Volume 2 (London: George Bell and Sons, 1902), pp. 31-35
Posted on May 20, 2011

12 posted on 05/22/2011 12:59:31 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM ("Sola Ecclesia")
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I wish they would hear that their baby will be chopped up into little pieces before it is removed from the “safety” of moms womb.

Every journey starts with one step ...will the next testing be IQ? Height? Hair color? potential illness seen in DNA ? Where do we stop looking to make a perfect society?


13 posted on 05/22/2011 1:03:04 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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18 posted on 05/22/2011 2:33:11 PM PDT by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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**Mandatory Testing for Down Syndrome Coming to France?**

Sickening


25 posted on 05/22/2011 4:07:35 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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Everyone needs to meet my Down Syndrome grandson. Thanks for pictures.


27 posted on 05/22/2011 4:13:22 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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I have a precious niece with Downs who is a far better human being than any Democrat. I despise anyone who thinks she is inferior in any way.


35 posted on 05/22/2011 6:06:07 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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