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To: caww
So people had better look closer at the religion a candidate practices.....and if your smart you realize that during an election the candidates themsleves more than mention their faith. Heck even Trump did! They would not mention their faith if it wasn't important to them that you consider that.

I would not vote for Romney because he is a RINO. I like Beck because he has performed a service to all of America as great personal risk. I have friends who are Mormon and they are truly good people and I know people who are Mormons who are just about as interesting as pond scum. Bigotry is when you lose all perspective between understanding a person's character and lump them into a group. We are reasonably cautious about folks who belong to faiths like Mormonism especially when you consider some of the things in their teachings. Folks point to the Bible and say many of the same things. But, thats not the point.

If Romney weren't a flip flopping say anything to get elected RINO, I would consider him. It took me a while to get his number during the 2008 cycle but now, I am pretty certain that I would only vote for someone like him for the same reason I voted for McCain.

So, I intend to work not to be forced into that sort of choice this time. But, I will not do it by BASHING someone for their faith. And, you shouldn't either. It something to note, part of the puzzle but that has to be all.

39 posted on 05/20/2011 11:09:21 AM PDT by dalight
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To: dalight
I would only vote for someone like him, (Romney), for the same reason I voted for McCain.

Well I for one won't ever do that again...besides Romney Rhino will do himself in as usual. Unfortunately the media want him in so therein is the problem. I liked Beck for quite awhile there...until he started to merge his religious points into the mix...and thereafter he was more and more fruity for my taste...much to my disappointment. Beck reminds me of Tom Cruise when he gets all wired and frets out...and it doesn't take much for either to do that.

49 posted on 05/20/2011 4:18:58 PM PDT by caww
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To: dalight
And, you shouldn't either.

Unless they are one of them Damned MUSLIM terrorist types; who are living their faith - day by day.

67 posted on 05/21/2011 9:44:29 AM PDT by Elsie
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To: dalight; Tennessee Nana; greyfoxx39
But, I will not do it by BASHING someone for their faith. And, you shouldn't either.

Except that TN Nana's comments are religiously-based. And you've openly criticized her...("criticize," btw, is another for "bash.") Which means you've bashed her. You've bashed her religious views.

I always love it when a religious elitist comes on board these threads, gives "thou shalt" edicts like "Thou shalt not bash somebody else's faith" -- all after they've just bashed comments from other poster's religious faith.

So what do we do? Believe your "thou shalt" pulpit edicts? Or what you actually practice?

82 posted on 05/22/2011 5:34:23 PM PDT by Colofornian (Key Q for Romney & Huntsman: Show us your spirit-birth certificate from Kolob)
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To: dalight; Tennessee Nana; greyfoxx39; Elsie
I have friends who are Mormon and they are truly good people and I know people who are Mormons who are just about as interesting as pond scum. Bigotry is when you lose all perspective between understanding a person's character and lump them into a group.

Let's talk about assumptions, shall we?

It seems you've fallen into one. One Jesus Christ openly critiqued.

You said: I have friends who are Mormon and they are truly GOOD people...

The Jesus of the Bible did NOT share that presumption. Not only re: Mormons...but any natural-born human...

He said: "'Why do you call me good?' Jesus answered. 'No one is good--except God alone.'" (Mark 10:18).

Who are we to believe? Jesus' pronouncement that "NO ONE" is good? Or yours?

Now Jesus wasn't saying He personally wasn't good (He was and is God, after all). He was addressing the misguided presumption behind the comment: That man is good…[I believe Jesus is addressed man’s isness at root…]

Jesus levels the playing field before the cross by undercutting any spiritual pride that presumes anybody from any religion doesn’t need Him as our great physician ("It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick...For I have NOT COME to call the righteous, but sinners."--Matthew 9:12)

Jesus is for the person who understands their personal cancerous diagnosis of sin.

Upon natural birth, we're all spiritually unhealthy and depraved

Yet that doesn't pre-empt people from all faiths accomplishing some degree of good works. I would quickly add, though, whatever “degree” that is, it’s vastly overstated. Why?

* Some folks do good works and give the credit for those works to God the Holy Spirit working through them – yet Christianity & some of the cults are usually the only ones who acknowledge the Holy Spirit to begin with;
* Some folks do outwardly good works and assume the credit for themselves, stealing God's glory. Theft of God's glory thereby defeats any act otherwise qualifying itself as "good"...
...which leads us directly back to a basic Mormon premise: Temple Mormons (not all Mormons, but temple Mormons) are essentially auditioning for godhood with good works. And with that, I say, that’s a self-defeating proposition. When a boomerang motive underlies good works, those works become selfish, disqualifying in God’s eyes the “goodness” of that work. God sees the heart, not just the outward outcome.

89 posted on 05/22/2011 6:04:23 PM PDT by Colofornian (Key Q for Romney & Huntsman: Show us your spirit-birth certificate from Kolob)
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To: dalight; caww; Tennessee Nana; Elsie; greyfoxx39
Bigotry is when you lose all perspective between understanding a person's character and lump them into a group. We are reasonably cautious about folks who belong to faiths like Mormonism especially when you consider some of the things in their teachings.

Hmm...

9/11 was almost a decade ago. In that time, how many slam-type comments have we seen on FR & elsewhere that lumps all Muslims into a group?

Have you been consistent? On how many of those threads did you enter therein, and proceed to accuse 1-2 posters of being "bigoted?"

Thousands of such threads?
Hundreds?
Dozens?
A handful?
None? (Except this thread?)

If the answer's the last one...my...how "bold" and courageous of you to take on a poster or two re: Mormonism when the way you just defined "bigotry" would give you a mountainful of posters to attack as "bigots"! (btw...yet another "fave" accusation per the liberal lexicon).

So. I'm "anxious" to hear on how many Islam & 9/11 threads you've lectured and properly frowned upon those who have lumped Muslims into a group.

90 posted on 05/22/2011 6:46:22 PM PDT by Colofornian (Key Q for Romney & Huntsman: Show us your spirit-birth certificate from Kolob)
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