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1 posted on 05/07/2011 5:50:49 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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Taxpayer funded marxist training centers. Better to make them all like Hillsdale college.


2 posted on 05/07/2011 5:53:52 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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yes, the Government started subsidizing College. Anything you want to make more expensive, involve Government subsidies.


3 posted on 05/07/2011 5:54:58 PM PDT by omega4179 (Thank you G W Bush for Guantanamo intel.)
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Well, the college mafia got one of their own elected so on that basis alone we need to shut them down...LOL


4 posted on 05/07/2011 5:55:19 PM PDT by Nat Turner (I can see NOVEMBER 2012 from my house....)
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“If 70.1% of high school graduates enroll in a college or university, how does a college degree give you an advantage over the rest of the population? Back in the early 1960s, Americans didn’t need to go to college. We were a creditor nation with a strong manufacturing base. With an unemployment rate of only 5%, jobs were available to almost everybody. Less than 50% of American high school graduates enrolled into college. For those who did attend college and graduate with a degree, it was actually something special that made you stand out from the rest of the field, because not everybody had one.”

The situation in a nutshell. In the past, all you needed was a work ethic and a good idea or two; there was plenty of work and plenty of opportunity out there and social/economical mobility was for the first time in forever, easy. You could make a huge amount of money just working in construction and bringing home the bacon was effortless as long as you worked. Degrees were only needed if you were going to become an engineer or a scientist or a doctor or a lawyer. The rest was on the job training or certifications.


5 posted on 05/07/2011 5:55:35 PM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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I have an MBA, so does everyone else in business. I agree with this article 100%. There is no benefit to college. Any kid going to a Vo Tech School, leaves there with a skill that will make them more money than any college grad. In fact most college grads will end up working for a self employed Vo Tech grad.

College is not about education, college has become another business, hustling students through, and gobbling up government grant money to pay exorbitant salaries to the central staff. Schools now are tools of the Socialists, and printing presses for money.


6 posted on 05/07/2011 5:57:59 PM PDT by Concho (-)
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Read The Five-year Party. The author is not a conservative, but he exposes the racket which is college education today. Most students do not belong in higher education.

http://www.amazon.com/Five-Year-Party-Colleges-Given-Educating/dp/1935251805

8 posted on 05/07/2011 6:03:47 PM PDT by hellbender
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Today, millions of Americans have mortgage-sized debts, but still live with their parents. All they have is a piece of paper called a college degree, that is rapidly declining in value even faster than tuitions are skyrocketing in price.

I've seen this situation repeatedly in my family and the families of my peers. It's out of hand. I regretted not finishing my BA degree in the late 70s, but the work I left college to do was in my chosen profession and I have excelled beyond all others in my class.

The only downside I can think of to online courses is the lack of making physical connections--partying aside. Young people today form their personas behind computer screens and the psychological repercussions have yet to be fully examined. Perhaps that will be the next expose.

11 posted on 05/07/2011 6:09:17 PM PDT by Rona Badger (Heeds the Calling Wind)
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Aside from technical or other schools that teach a specific trade, colleges are utterly worthless. During my working career, I’ve found that the more “educated” someone is, the more dumb/stupid they tend to be.

My wife is working on her Doctorate in Nursing, and the program is a joke. The only thing that makes it challenging is her having old hippy liberal professors. I advised her to simply right papers that would appeal to Leftists just to get through it.


12 posted on 05/07/2011 6:11:28 PM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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I went to college, a private college of excellent reputation in the late 1960’s. My Freshman year, tuition was $990 a year, which I paid for by working as a non-union construction laborer at $3.50 an hour during the summer.

Now the same school charges $36,000 for tuition despite the fact that 65% of their funding comes from sources other than tuition (huge alumni gifting, which I have cut back on). The school year is 5 weeks shorter than it was then, kids are paying something like $110 per hour of classroom (not individual) instruction. That includes the classes with 150 students in them.

This is completely scandalous. Obviously, no one in the Higher Education Industry (and that is what it is) understands the concept of “cost containment.”

Unless your kid is utterly dedicated to becoming a doctor or lawyer, you should not send him to college. Buy them a set of good books, tell them to join a Great Books Discussion Club, and then send them into the Army. My son who went directly into the Army after high school is better and more broadly educated than my daughters who went to college, though he does not have a degree (he’s made more money, too).


13 posted on 05/07/2011 6:11:31 PM PDT by cookcounty (Resume item--- Barack Obama: Paid Spectator, US Senate, 2004-2008.)
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Oh no...where will we get our supply of English-speaking waiters and waitresses?

The billions of dollars spent on declining standards of education in this country is outrageous and robs taxpayers, parents and the students, who can’t find a job despite their very expensive degrees.


14 posted on 05/07/2011 6:12:46 PM PDT by kittymyrib
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Since 1978, the cost of living has increased 2.5 times, the costs of medical care has increased 6 times and the cost of college tuition has increased 10 times.


19 posted on 05/07/2011 6:20:04 PM PDT by bwc2221
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One must also factor in the explosion of jobs that “required” a college degree, any degree just to apply. Even if the degree had no bearing on the job itself and all the training for the job would be provided after you were hired.

I feel this was a kind of underlying racism to exclude certain people from certain job fields and nothing more.

Or a case of those already in the job, with degrees wanting to establish a pay to play system.

You pay for the degree so you can play at a certain level.

Of course this is a scam, its all a scam.

This whole damn country is built on nothing but a heaping pile of ponzi schemes and scams...


21 posted on 05/07/2011 6:28:17 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour (With The Resistance...)
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If 70.1% of high school graduates enroll in a college or university, how does a college degree give you an advantage over the rest of the population?


First of all, less than 30% of American adults actually complete a BA/BS degree (or higher). Second, I will agree that college is not for everyone. Some degrees are more valuable than others (engineering, computer science, pre-Med, etc). A degree in liberal arts might seem initially worthless, but it does open doors for all types of white collar jobs.


22 posted on 05/07/2011 6:31:42 PM PDT by rbg81
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Amazon.com’s stock price has risen by a 29 times higher percentage than Wal-Mart due to the fact that they sell their products over the Internet with substantially less overhead costs. NIA believes that the future of college education is over the Internet and that Americans in the future will be able to receive a better quality education from the best professors from all around the world at only a fraction of the cost of a traditional brick and mortar college education.


Comparisons of this type are misleading. Getting a college education is not the same as buying a book or a toaster. Different people learn differently. People who are more indepedent, organized, and adaptable can handle the online model. For others, they need to have a flesh & blood professor around. Cost savings are mostly realized by hiring temporary adjuncts vs. professors. If you do that, expect a wide variance in the quality of courses. Even so, online universities can be VERY expensive. Just check out the University of Phoenix scam.


23 posted on 05/07/2011 6:37:17 PM PDT by rbg81
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I work in IT for a major university and on the list of the top 20 priorities for the campus I swear that helping students is about #72! Building empires, avoiding work, backstabbing, plotting, and trying to get yourself re-classed for a pay raise take up much of the staff's time.
26 posted on 05/07/2011 6:41:33 PM PDT by aegiscg47
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What is a good life? Does the quality of a life depend on income? How do you achieve a good life? Can anyone teach you how to have a good life? How much control do you really have over your life? How much control do you really have over other’s lives? How much control over their destiny did each passenger have in that plane that crashed into the ocean? What does it mean “to age”?


30 posted on 05/07/2011 7:11:08 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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1970's... but most college students were also able to afford their own car and a small apartment.

Not without help from parents they weren't. This is an idealized fantasy I'd like to see validated by data just like the rest of the article.

32 posted on 05/07/2011 7:17:20 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard (c)
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NIA believes that the future of college education is over the Internet and that Americans in the future will be able to receive a better quality education from the best professors from all around the world at only a fraction of the cost of a traditional brick and mortar college education.

i've been looking into "college online" because my oldest son will start high school next year... the reason i was looking into online college is money... yes--it should be cheaper... but it isn't... every online program i've looked into is just about as expensive as the traditional method... btw--we like online learning... we are a homeschooling family and have participated n several online classes...

37 posted on 05/07/2011 7:28:35 PM PDT by latina4dubya ( self-proclaimed tequila snob)
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I teach accounting at a college. I am a damn good at it.

I also teacher computers. A moron could teach what I teach in the computer lab.

So there are classes that must be taught at school and there are classes that do not need to be taught at school.

43 posted on 05/07/2011 8:06:27 PM PDT by Porterville (Methink'st thou art a general offence and every man should beat thee.)
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Ping!

My sister went to Harvard.....

She voted for Little Stevie Dunham....

(”Ivy League Idiocy”)


49 posted on 05/07/2011 8:33:41 PM PDT by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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