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As far as the issue of states rights is concerned, I agree ABSOLUTELY with the Confederacy.

However enslaving a race of people was DEAD wrong and I eagerly await the justification of slavery.

“However enslaving a race of people was DEAD wrong and I eagerly await the justification of slavery.”

Are you talking about the USA for 80 years after the Constitution was written?

I eagerly await the justification of slavery.

You may be waiting a while since no one here's trying to justify slavery. It was a world problem that we inherited under britain. It was southern because of climate, but the heinous slave trade was conducted almost entirely by the north - throughout the americas and throughout the war. No one held a moral high ground.

Perhaps justify the slaughter of hundreds of thousands - not to "free" the slaves, but to "enslave" the southern states to the north. remember, for years of war, the south was invited back with slavery in tact - the catch being they had to kiss the feet of the northern states in perpetuity.

“I eagerly await the justification of slavery.”

In the context of the time it was not slavery that needed to be justified, but the far more radical proposition of abolition. Slavery had been a facet of every human culture for millennia and it was accepted as a norm until the late 18th century.

The Civil War was not started over slavery and as proof of that is the fact that slavery was not abolished in the Northern states until December of 1865 - several months after the end of the war.

However, my disgust over keeping a people, based on race, enslaved is a human rights issue and not a Southern bashing/pro North issue.

Slavery based on race?

So slavery of whites by whites was ok?

What makes you think it was based on race?

It was based on opportunity.

Do you think the blacks who owned blacks in Africa and all over the New World, or the vast Mulatto class in Haiti who owned slaves or all the gentrified Indians from Brasil throughout Latin America and in North America with say the Creek or Cherokee nation slave owners fit that template

Blacks in Africa had the bad luck to be where they were from in history's timeline of civilizations and got gobbled up by more advanced peoples to be exploited for labor. The fact they were good to work in warm agriculturally successful climates helped and that they had factions in Mother Africa that were complicit also contributed. It fed the appetite in the West for raw products produced to be consumed first mostly in Europe and later in the North too. Similar fashion for slavery in the rest of the America's too but more to feed the demand in Europe for the goods.

And we deal with all that still...yanking huge numbers of folks out of their timeline and thrusting them into a new epxpectations timeline basically overnight and expecting them en masse to get up to speed after first a primitive existence up to that point and then slavery after that..is hard...no matter the intentions good and bad.

If sub Saharan's labor pool had been whatever color and whatever hair texture and in that state of development it probably would have made little difference.

History is littered with folks of same kind enslaving each other....Black Africa was just such a vast vast resource of that..no one resisted.

It eventually came down to who still needed them and who didn't and the political resentments of counting them in a Republic...and the expansion of it.

This idea that today from your lofty perch you can at the same time pronounce guilt with your disgust on folks from a time period you had zip to do with and make pronouncements that you somehow know better and to spout the canard that it was worse since the races were often but not always different is arrogant.

Btw...since you do think it is based on race does that mean you believe in race?

It's inconsistent that you say that and then as I expect give the usual refrain of "one human race" and that the term race is racist.

Maybe you do believe in race as a loose classification tool of human groupings..maybe not. You can't have it both ways.

You can condemn slavery as a poor treatment of humans by humans...simple enough.

You make it racial and it shows the culture has trained you well.

Do you think it's bigoted to hold whites to higher standards of behavior than other races?

Does that mean whites are better and we should have more expectations from them than say lowly blacks or Indians?

This is a lib mindset issue and is precisely what they do...excuse blacks and transfer the nation's bounty to them in a vain effort to cull votes and make them do right

The results of not holding blacks accountable is pretty obvious. Black culture in my youth ...even though admittedly not with the liberties of today...was actually rather intact and functioned only marginally less viable then others.

If people ever get back to viewing these issues honestly it would help. I doubt I'll live to see that.