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To: Jemian

If you like freedom, the south would not have been that great. It was a military dictatorship during the war - no freedom of the press or speech. The north on the other hand, had a vigorous press throughout the war. Current disdain for the federal government aside, we are lucky the north won.


16 posted on 05/03/2011 9:41:46 AM PDT by rokkitapps
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To: rokkitapps
no freedom of the press or speech

That was true of both the Union and Confederacy. And that "vigorous" press notwithstanding, you just have to look at the 1863 draft riots to see how free speech was handled in the North.
24 posted on 05/03/2011 9:51:00 AM PDT by Renderofveils (My loathings are simple: stupidity, oppression, crime, cruelty, soft music. - Nabokov)
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To: rokkitapps

THe south if they had gained there freedom would have resemble the US under the AoC. They were fighting against centralized govt. YOu cannot judge the North or the South by what happened during wartime.


30 posted on 05/03/2011 10:02:57 AM PDT by central_va
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To: rokkitapps
It was a military dictatorship during the war - no freedom of the press or speech. The north on the other hand, had a vigorous press throughout the war.

LOL! Francis Scott Key's grandson et al journalists jailed without warrant throughout the north notwithstanding. vigorous press?
33 posted on 05/03/2011 10:14:21 AM PDT by phi11yguy19
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To: rokkitapps; Jemian
If you like freedom, the south would not have been that great. It was a military dictatorship during the war - no freedom of the press or speech. The north on the other hand, had a vigorous press throughout the war.

No, it did not.

Executive Order - Arrest and Imprisonment of Irresponsible Newspaper Reporters and Editors

May 18, 1864

Major-General John A. Dix,

Commanding at New York:

Whereas there has been wickedly and traitorously printed and published this morning in the New York World and New York Journal of Commerce, newspapers printed and published in the city of New York, a false and spurious proclamation purporting to be signed by the President and to be countersigned by the Secretary of State, which publication is of a treasonable nature, designed to give aid and comfort to the enemies of the United States and to the rebels now at war against the Government and their aiders and abettors, you are therefore hereby commanded forthwith to arrest and imprison in any fort or military prison in your command the editors, proprietors, and publishers of the aforesaid newspapers, and all such persons as, after public notice has been given of the falsehood of said publication, print and publish the same with intent to give aid and comfort to the enemy; and you will hold the persons so arrested in close custody until they can be brought to trial before a military commission for their offense. You will also take possession by military force of the printing establishments of the New York World and Journal of Commerce, and hold the same until further orders, and prohibit any further publication therefrom.

A. LINCOLN.

45 posted on 05/03/2011 10:33:26 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: rokkitapps
If you like freedom, the south would not have been that great. It was a military dictatorship during the war - no freedom of the press or speech. The north on the other hand, had a vigorous press throughout the war.

I assume you were being sarcastic. Here are some online references for you:

Link 1, pages 393 and 394

Link 1, pages 328 ff

You will notice in the first link, all Democrat newspapers being excluded from a state by a Union commander. How many papers might that have been? And before Lincoln's 1864 election too.

The best review of Northern treatment of the press during the war is "Lincoln and the Press" by Robert S. Harper, copyright 1951. Some say 300 Northern papers were suppressed or destroyed during the war. I've found documentation for over 100 myself. At that point I stopped counting. Some references such as Richard Franklin Bensel's book, "Yankee Leviation" correctly note that the Union used suspension of the writ and marshal law to "close down dissident newspapers or influence their editorial policy."

In contrast, Bensel notes only two papers suppressed or destroyed in the South. I've seen reference to maybe two or three additional Southern newspapers in the old wartime newspapers (my hobby), nowhere near what happened in the North.

53 posted on 05/03/2011 11:05:27 AM PDT by rustbucket
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To: rokkitapps

“The north on the other hand, had a vigorous press throughout the war.”

True, if you don’t include the papers shut down by lincoln.


60 posted on 05/03/2011 12:10:20 PM PDT by Sporke (USS-Iowa BB-61)
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To: rokkitapps

That’s why Lincoln shut down hundreds of newspapers and journals that disagreed with him, right? ;-)


75 posted on 05/03/2011 3:14:52 PM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog for hits!!!)
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To: rokkitapps

“The north on the other hand, had a vigorous press throughout the war”

Evidently you mean other than the newspapers that Lincoln closed and the editors that he had jailed.


121 posted on 05/03/2011 7:29:32 PM PDT by Pelham (Islam, mortal enemy of the free world)
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To: rokkitapps

I would normally ask if you were retreaded, but in this case its not necessary.


172 posted on 05/04/2011 5:50:17 PM PDT by Rome2000 (OBAMA IS A COMMUNIST CRYPTO-MUSLIM)
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