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The Sorry State of Education in America
The Silent Majority ^ | 04-29-11 | J.D. Longstreet

Posted on 05/01/2011 9:11:39 AM PDT by Lexluthor69

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21 posted on 05/01/2011 10:03:32 AM PDT by BallparkBoys (Rush is the Jack Bauer of American politics)
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To: Lexluthor69
Another analysis that misses the real cause of rot in American K-12 education: the monopoly on producing teachers given to colleges of education. When my father went to high school c. 1940, his teachers all had masters degrees, and some doctorates, in the subjects the taught, not in [blank]-education.

It is colleges of education, not the Federal Dept. of Education, not the teachers' unions, that are the source of all the bizarre, dilatorious enthusisasms that sweep through eduction, like "whole language" as a substitute for phonics, "discovery learning" as a substitute for drill in arithmetic (as a mathematician, I think discovery learning in mathematics would be a wonderful supplement to drill in the basics, but you'd need mathematically competent teachers to oversee it), "socially conscious" (i.e. left-wing indoctrination) curricula, the extirpation of classical language education, and the like.

Of course, removing the state-granted monopolies (which even apply to private schools except in a few states, mostly in the Northeast, where old private schools defended their right to hire the kind of faculty my father's public high-school had back c. 1940) will be opposed by the teachers' unions, because it would increase the supply of teachers and tend to keep wage rates down.

22 posted on 05/01/2011 10:09:35 AM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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It is colleges of education, not the Federal Dept. of Education, not the teachers’ unions, that are the source of all the bizarre, dilatorious enthusisasms that sweep through eduction, like “whole language” as a substitute for phonics, “discovery learning” as a substitute for drill in arithmetic (as a mathematician, I think discovery learning in mathematics would be a wonderful supplement to drill in the basics, but you’d need mathematically competent teachers to oversee it), “socially conscious” (i.e. left-wing indoctrination) curricula, the extirpation of classical language education, and the like.”

No, it is all of them, but the author should have mentioned the Ed fever swamp. By the way, Ed schools were part of the original design of the system, beginning in MA under Horace Mann.


23 posted on 05/01/2011 10:33:17 AM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: nolongerademocrat

Not all public schools are bad. We home schooled for seven years but then decided to go the public school route. We find the schools in our rural area to have teachers that genuinely seem to care and the kids are at or near the top of their classes. To broad brush all public schools as re-education camps is just silly.


24 posted on 05/01/2011 10:43:28 AM PDT by Carpe Cerevisi
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I did not argue that the U.S. Dept. of Ed and the teachers’ unions have not contributed to the decline in K-12 education, only that the culprits to be blamed for the strange notions of how to educate children, which are the biggest contributor to the decline, are the colleges of education. If sound educational techniques were the norm, even the useless Federal interference in K-12 education and the seniority system for K-12 education would not make things anywhere near as bad as they are.


25 posted on 05/01/2011 10:44:29 AM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: Windflier

Good for you! I absolutely believe that public schools are indoctrination centers. We have to take back control of our children’s education if we want to see our country remain free.


26 posted on 05/01/2011 10:51:45 AM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: Carpe Cerevisi

At my son’s rural public school, they would sometimes lock students into small windowless rooms and pipe loud Polka music in as a form of punishment. I found out about this when I went to sign my son out for a dentist visit.

Sorry if my broad-brush offends you.


27 posted on 05/01/2011 10:55:26 AM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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No offense taken; but Polka music? The horror!


28 posted on 05/01/2011 11:11:26 AM PDT by Carpe Cerevisi
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To: Lexluthor69

What scares me is all the disappearing book stores. I mean, then they can control what you get over the net and we’re all brainwashed.

Seems no one is addressing this.


29 posted on 05/01/2011 11:37:34 AM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: Windflier

Home schooling our kids is one of the best decisions my wife and I have ever made.


30 posted on 05/01/2011 11:55:35 AM PDT by DesertSapper (God, Family, Country . . . . . . . . . . and dead terrorists!!!)
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Home schooling our kids is one of the best decisions my wife and I have ever made.

Same here. My wife and I had to go into serious disagreement with the status quo to do it, and we had to become self-sufficient business owners to pull it off, but somehow or another, we did it.

After some ten years of trodding that road, we know that we made the right choice. It hasn't always been easy, and we know that we made some sacrifices to keep our kids out of the clutches of the left, but I wouldn't choose any other way. Our children's freedom is worth any sacrifice or burden to us.

31 posted on 05/01/2011 12:04:10 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: gunnyg
Federalized education? is indoctrination!

There, that's fixed...

Regards,
GtG

32 posted on 05/01/2011 3:12:43 PM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: loveliberty2; Jim Robinson; kristinn; holdonnow
Jim, Kristinn, holdonnow -- Please read the OP, it is *very* good.

Cheers!

33 posted on 05/01/2011 4:03:34 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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