Fact Check This Media: Reasons Why Obama Is Fighting The Release Of All Past Records !?

Birther Report ^ | April 22, 2011 | Birther Report

[Plummz]

Anyone know why his mother didn’t remain in Hawaii to return to college? Seems strange to put a 2 week old baby on a plane to take classes that could have been taken close to home.

Because the baby was evidence that Frank Marshall Davis had engaged in intercourse with an underage female recently transported across state lines. As Davis was already under investigation by the FBI's UnAmerican activities unit, both Davis and Stanley Armour Dunham could have been up on federal charges.

[munin]

Yes. I believe it would have made his birth before HI was a state.....

If he was born in HI before HI was a state, he would automaticaly be a citicen if not a natural born one, however, if the birth took place somewhere els, say Kenya or Canada, he would not be a citicen at all

[Windflier]

Thanks for the clarification

You bet, Joann. It's incumbent on all of us to help each other be as well educated on this issue as we can be.

[surrey]

I think you may have hit the nail on the head. Makes sense.

[jonrick46]

I think Obama Sr got considerable financing from his father, Hussein Yangon Obama. This is why my theory that Stanley Ann and Baby Barry went to Seattle, Washington. It was a return trip from Kenya with a demand that she did not go to the University of Hawaii with the son, Obama Sr. Naturally, Seattle, Washington was the logical choice because Stanley Ann had connections there because of her exploits in the U-District as a high school student.

[Lees Swrd]

Funny thing is back in those days they made very very few mistakes if any.

I have read many records from the 1700s and 1800s, Family History, and found very few mistakes. What a lot of people think of as mistakes is that words were actually spelled diffrently then.

[Beckwith]

Arabs are Caucasians.

[Lees Swrd]

I know most states started the short form crap recently my state did I think in 2007.

I do know for a fact anything dealing with the government requires the long form, I had to go to the county court house in the area I was born to get the long form. The short form is good for tolit paper thats about it!

[bvw]

There were, rounding up, 18K births each year in Hawaii at that time. Just the 1.2K improperly registered by address that are known in that six year period, gives a 1.1% chance that Obama's was in that improper class.

[john mirse]

I saw both newpaper’s birth announcements. They are line by line identicle. It tells one that they were sent out in batches by the Hawaii Dept. of Health. Also, if you look at the Nordyke twins birth announcement for this thread, you will notice that the signature of the attendant was dated 8-11-61, which was 6 days after the birth on 8-5-61. It tells me that the hospital did signatures in batches too.

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I'm sorry, but I can't follow your logic above about "batches."

For instance, the Nordyke twins birth certificate was signed by the doctor on 8-11-61, while the Obama short form that we see on the Obama Fight the Smears site says this: "Date filed by registrar Aug. 8, 1961."

This tells me that Obama's long form birth certificate was already at the Health Department almost 3 days before the Nordyke birth certificate could have left the hospital, and the earliest that the Nordyke could have left the hospital is Aug. 11, 1961, when it was signed.

My point is this: It looks like Obama's birth certificate arrived at the Health Department in a different "batch" than the Nordyke twins' birth certificate---if batches were used at all---because the Obama short form birth certificate was already at the Health Department on Aug. 8---if we assume that the short form displayed on Obama's Fight the Smears site is authentic---while the Nordyke twins' birth certificate wasn't signed until Aug. 11, 1961.

Again, as I see it, I don't think that Obama's certificate and the Nordyke twins' birth certificates left the hospital in the same batch on the same day, if it is true that Obama and the Nordyke twins were born only a day apart in the same hospital.

[john mirse]

The local registrar on the Nordyke birth certificate:

1. It looks like "beatrice something."

2. Anybody know anything about her? Is she still living? Or, if she has passed away, does she have any relatives or/and friendes who knew about her work in Hawaii?

3. My point is this: If Beatrice signed the Nordyke twins' birth certificate as the local registrar, then it would seem that she probably also signed Obama's birth certificate, because Obama claims that he was born at Kapiolani hospital, the same one where the twins were born a day after Obama was born there.

4. Also, I would think that "Barack Obama" would be such an unusual name in Hawaii way back in August 1961, that maybe Beatrice, the local registrar, would have remembered signing Obama's birth certificate and later told a relative or a friend about the unusual name. Just some food for thought.

[cradle of freedom]

Has anyone ever looked up Seattle birth records of that time. I read that there is a record of her attended college in Seattle a few weeks after Obama was supposedly born.

[cradle of freedom]

What about checking homes for unwed mothers in the Seattle area?

[EDINVA]

The twins’ mother released the long form birth certs. We don’t know anything about the twins’ present last name(s) or even what state(s) they live in. Guess mom just wasn’t an Obama fan.

[jonrick46]

I believe you are correct that Obama’s birth documents did not leave the hospital with the Nordyke documents. That is because the Obama birth documents were never generated by the hospital. It may have taken about a week for all the documents to be completed with all the signatures and correct information. Those that were complete would have been all signed on the same day and sent to the Dept of Health at the same time. If there was a hospital generated Obama document, it would have also left the same day as the Nordyke documents. This is because of the nature of the released information by the Hawaii Dept of Health to the newspapers. Obama’s document was generated the same day as the Nordyke twins because both announcements were published in the newspapers on the same day. If there was any Obama birth document, there was a good chance it also would have been signed on the 11th; if the hospital generated such a document. Instead, it came to the Hawaii Dept of Health in a different route as I explain below.

The Dept of Health collected all the documents they received each day and sent out the announcements in one batch to the newspapers. It is said that the hospital has no records of Obama’s birth documents and no hospital generated birth document exists. How did the Dept of Health generate the Obama birth announcement to the newspapers?

In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or midwife, then all that was required was that one of the parents send in a birth certificate to be filed. The birth certificate could be filed by mail. There appears to have been no requirement for the parent to actually physically appear before “the local registrar of the district.” It would have been very easy for a relative to forge an absent parent’s signature to a form and mail it in. In addition, if a claim was made that “neither parent of the newborn child whose birth is unattended as above provided is able to prepare a birth certificate, the local registrar shall secure the necessary information from any person having knowledge of the birth and prepare and file the certificate.” (Section 57-8&9)

The birth document on the Fight the Smears website has been debunked as a photo-shop fake. With the Nordyke twins and Obama’s birth only a day apart, it had to appear on same type of document as the Nordyke twins. The document on the Fight the Smears website is a different document.