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2012 Presidential Hopefuls' Immigration Stances
NumbersUSA.com ^ | 4/06/11 | NUMBERSUSA

Posted on 04/19/2011 5:37:31 PM PDT by magna carta

Updated: 04/06/11

2012 Presidential Hopefuls' Immigration Stances Chart at link.

(Excerpt) Read more at numbersusa.com ...


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: aliens; candidates; homosexualagenda; immigration; libertarians; numbersusa; peterthiel; record; roybeck
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To: magna carta

B- is the highest of any of the ones listed.

Is it surprising that the ‘top’ tier candidates rank in the D category?

Of the bunch listed, I would go with the B- candidate at this point.


21 posted on 04/20/2011 5:33:31 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: TLI
Sarah, on the other hand, said... Palin responded that she would like all illegal immigrants to register and that, in an ideal situation, “you deport them. you have to get them out of here.”

Why would you register them? If she wants to deport them, how far would she get in registering people who know that they will be deported. More nonsense.

Amnesty? From Palin? REALLY? You actually believe that?

She has said and done nothing to expect otherwise beginning with her Univision interview. She has been parsing words and using phrases like "play by the rules," which Obama used in his STOU address. Palin wants to separate out criminal illegal aliens from illegal aliens who play by the rules. This was McCain's position along with Obama's. Those who play by the rules, e.g., registering, will get to stay here.

22 posted on 04/20/2011 5:42:07 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
They all use the canard word games:

Notice that they seldom spell out exactly what measures or actions they would take. That is because they do not want to be 'committed' to taking actual steps to attain those measures.
23 posted on 04/20/2011 5:52:52 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: TomGuy
It depends on what the meaning of "is" is. The Left and some Reps have redefined amnesty. It is not amnesty if the recipients "pay a fine, learn English, play by the rules, and get to the back of the line." They are on "an earned path to citizenship." The reality is that this is an amnesty and the end of the line should be back in their home country.

The Left and the MSM have developed their own immigration lexicon that would make Orwell proud. An illegal alien is an "undocumented worker." There are two classes of illegal aliens: (1) criminal illegal aliens and (2)undocumented workers who play by the rules. According to them, we have only two choices: mass deportation or a blanket amnesty (which really isn't an amnesty by their definition.)

We are bringing in over 100,000 legal foreign workers a month now in the midst of this Great Recession where more than 22.5 million Americans and legal residents are looking for full-time employment. It is insane. We will have to run to stand still.

24 posted on 04/20/2011 6:06:08 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

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Obama and McCain are against an amnesty.

WTF are you talking about....Obama just talked about reintroducing an amnesty push this year.

I just told you that she said on Rush that she’s against amnesty.

Quit spreading false rumors.


25 posted on 04/20/2011 6:15:19 PM PDT by ak267
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It depends on what the meaning of "is" is. Obama and McCain don't think it is an amnesty if the illegal aliens pay a fine, learn English, and get to the back of the line on an earned path to citizenship. Find me anything where Obama says he supports an amnesty using the word amnesty.

Here is the transcript of Obama's speech on July 1, 2010 on comprehensive immigration reform delivered at American University.

"For example, there are those in the immigrants’ rights community who have argued passionately that we should simply provide those who are [here] illegally with legal status, or at least ignore the laws on the books and put an end to deportation until we have better laws. And often this argument is framed in moral terms: Why should we punish people who are just trying to earn a living?

I recognize the sense of compassion that drives this argument, but I believe such an indiscriminate approach would be both unwise and unfair. It would suggest to those thinking about coming here illegally that there will be no repercussions for such a decision. And this could lead to a surge in more illegal immigration. And it would also ignore the millions of people around the world who are waiting in line to come here legally.

Ultimately, our nation, like all nations, has the right and obligation to control its borders and set laws for residency and citizenship. And no matter how decent they are, no matter their reasons, the 11 million who broke these laws should be held accountable.

Now, if the majority of Americans are skeptical of a blanket amnesty, they are also skeptical that it is possible to round up and deport 11 million people. They know it’s not possible. Such an effort would be logistically impossible and wildly expensive. Moreover, it would tear at the very fabric of this nation -– because immigrants who are here illegally are now intricately woven into that fabric. Many have children who are American citizens. Some are children themselves, brought here by their parents at a very young age, growing up as American kids, only to discover their illegal status when they apply for college or a job. Migrant workers -– mostly here illegally -– have been the labor force of our farmers and agricultural producers for generations. So even if it was possible, a program of mass deportations would disrupt our economy and communities in ways that most Americans would find intolerable.

Now, once we get past the two poles of this debate, it becomes possible to shape a practical, common-sense approach that reflects our heritage and our values. Such an approach demands accountability from everybody -– from government, from businesses and from individuals.

Finally, we have to demand responsibility from people living here illegally. They must be required to admit that they broke the law. They should be required to register, pay their taxes, pay a fine, and learn English. They must get right with the law before they can get in line and earn their citizenship -- not just because it is fair, not just because it will make clear to those who might wish to come to America they must do so inside the bounds of the law, but because this is how we demonstrate that being -- what being an American means. Being a citizen of this country comes not only with rights but also with certain fundamental responsibilities. We can create a pathway for legal status that is fair, reflective of our values, and works."

If Palin is against amnesty, why the remarks in the Univision interview? Why does she favor registration of illegal aliens? Why does she use similar phrases to Obama on illegal aliens who "play by the rules." Sorry, but saying against you are against amnesty is meaningless unless you define what you mean by the word, amnesty. Obama and McCain are against amnesty.

26 posted on 04/21/2011 6:22:21 AM PDT by kabar
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Oh jeeze you’re really parsing the words. Is-Is???? Pay a fine??? Learn English (yeah...right...there is no INCENTIVE to learn English)...get back of the “line”? What line are you talking about?

The DREAM act was backdoor amnesty and would allow chain migrations once the students met the requirements.

http://www.redstate.com/california_yankee/2010/08/25/obama-admin-gives-illegal-aliens-backdoor-amnesty/

http://michellemalkin.com/2010/06/23/the-threat-of-illegal-alien-amnesty-by-executive-order/

Add a lax border policy and his ACTIONS dictate otherwise.


27 posted on 04/21/2011 6:30:25 PM PDT by ak267
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Oh jeeze you’re really parsing the words. Is-Is???? Pay a fine??? Learn English (yeah...right...there is no INCENTIVE to learn English)...get back of the “line”? What line are you talking about?

The same line that Obama and McCain talk about. It really should begin in their home country, not here. Any legislation that allows the illegals to say and work here is an amnesty. I don't care if they are registered or not.

The DREAM act was backdoor amnesty and would allow chain migrations once the students met the requirements.

Duh!! Of course it was. Who said it wasn't?

Add a lax border policy and his ACTIONS dictate otherwise.

And Bush 43 was just as bad if not worse. Bush 41 doubled the number of legal immigrants into this country. They were two of the worst Presidents we have ever had on the immigration issue.

28 posted on 04/21/2011 7:19:56 PM PDT by kabar
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