Obama's aunt angry at Trump (Now she claims family got letter from BHO Sr. in Hawaii)

WHDH-TV / CNN ^ | April 11, 2011

[2ndDivisionVet]

BOSTON - Barack Obama's aunt, Zeituni Onyango, says Donald Trump disrespected her family by questioning the president's birthplace.

Trump quoted Obama's grandmother when she claimed to have witnessed Barack Obama's birth in Kenya, and Onyango says that is not true.....

[mojitojoe]

however, the file on Barack H. Obama, Jr. was classified and profiled.
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Rahm took care of all that when he disappeared in Africa( supposedly on a safari, Yea, right)for 2 weeks in December of 2008 while OHomo took care of the Hawaiian part that night the power was out all night. Coincidence? I think not.

[dennisw]

Thanks...You are better versed in this than me. I think Obama was born here but his BC is embarrassing or fouled up or in a different name. Either way he must cough up the long form and Trump will do his best to see this is done. Hopefully Arizona and others will force him to show his BC.

Obama is in a jam. Trump will paint him as being shifty and elusive on many issues. That he is not to be trusted on his birth certificate or anything. I look forward to Trump releasing his college transcripts, putting more pressure on Obama

[mojitojoe]

And those pics with dear ol’ dad were from a time when he was coerced into coming back to HI. Whatever the reason was that he came back is key to a lot of this. If the story is true, the Dunhams footed his bill and rented him an apartment for an entire month. Madelyn didn’t seem too pleased she was going to have to put up with him either. What sort of “family business” would have taken a whole month?

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It is also the same year that Frank Marshall Davis got a divorce and his wife moved out and that Stanley dumped Barry on grandma and Gramps and took off again. Got to be a reason he was there, the question is, what was it?

[Brown Deer]

Sorry, he filed a Naturalization Petition on April 20, 1957 and his petition was denied on March 20, 1958.

[Fractal Trader]

Whatever the reason was that he came back is key to a lot of this

One thing I heard earlier from Freeper David, is that his DOH file contains two documents, one of which is something like a "home birth" document which vouches that the child was born in some place other than a hospital (It's a little bit strange, since the issue was not that he was born outside of a hospital, but outside of the state of Hawaii!). David claims that the document is written in one hand, and that appears to be the writing of Obama sr, and that at least one of the names is misspelled, which would be strange, since most people ought to be able to spell their name correctly!

I definitely think that this 1971 visit had something to do with getting Barack jr's records straight (in "Dreams" he talks about seeing his birth certificate during that visit). So it seems that the purpose of the visit was to improve the documentation of the original birth. It certainly wasn't love -- he apparently spent his entire visit drinking with his former college buddies.

However, even if this "fix the records" scenario is correct, it leaves a few items left open. Obama, jr had been adopted by Lolo Seotoro, and taken on Indonesian citizenship. He seems to have kept the Soetoro identity through 1981, when he acquired the CT Social Security Number and began referring to himself as Barack Hussein Obama.

My own personal take, which is not necessarily a legal opinion, is that the child should not suffer the sins of the father. If the father forced the child to get Indonesian citizenship, the child should, at age of majority, be able to decide his citizenship for himself. However, since Barack, jr was apparently in college in California using a foreign social security number (beginning with "99," I believe) and apparently made a trip to Pakistan under his Indonesian passport, his actions speak clearly to a renunciation of his potential American citizenship.

In fact, I have heard it argued that, TO THIS DATE, Obama jr has never become an American citizen! I have never seen reference to his naturalization and we know that he has been living under an assumed Social Security Number for all his adult life. Of course, he did manage to get a US passport once he was a Senator, but that doesn't mean that it was procured legitimately. Remember that at least one individual who accessed his Social Security file was later murdered.

Do I know the true story? I would be the first to admit that my beliefs are based on a fair amount of speculation, tempered with diligent readings of as many reliable sources that I can find on the Internet. I rather reckon my search for knowledge somewhat the same as those who try to defend that Shakespeare truly wrote his own work, as opposed to many other poppycock theories.

[LucyT]

And those pics with dear ol’ dad were from a time when he was coerced into coming back to HI. Whatever the reason was that he came back is key to a lot of this. If the story is true, the Dunhams footed his bill and rented him an apartment for an entire month. Madelyn didn’t seem too pleased she was going to have to put up with him either. What sort of “family business” would have taken a whole month?

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It is also the same year that Frank Marshall Davis got a divorce and his wife moved out and that Stanley dumped Barry on grandma and Gramps and took off again. - Got to be a reason he was there, the question is, what was it?

# 443.

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[LucyT]

See # 445.

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[little jeremiah]

Exactly. Rahm’s Christmas vacation “safari” to Kenya.

[Fred Nerks]

...So the open question is who he is and where he came from...

That's exactly what I want to know! Nothing more, nothing less.

[Fred Nerks]

...However, “American Anne” does look like that gal standing beside Sr. in the going away picture with all the leis.

Opinions are divided on that, about 50/50 - it's hard to say due to the poor quality of the Nachmannof images.

[LucyT]

Wait a minute.

Are we discussing three births, three little boys?

[Natural Born 54]

David, thank you for taking the time to answer my questions in detail. I am sorry you didn’t see my follow up remark first, it would have saved you going through the transcript part of it.

As to the lack of comments from school mates during her university years, I don’t agree with all that you say. Maxine Hanson Box was a self professed bosom buddy of SAD’s. For me it is hard to believe that she would only have crossed paths with her best friend of only one year prior once (I only remember one comment from Maxine re SAD at UW) during her freshman and sophomore years at UW.

The press showed no interest in finding out who knew her at UW. You’d think they might have wanted to know if she had any boy friends, for instance. Yes she had a baby but she might have had a social life, too, albeit less of one than the average, carefree college student without a baby would have had.

How about a reporter finding one of her instructors and getting an interview or just a few quotes for an article? After all, Tim Jones did a video report and featured one of her high school teachers from Mercer. Why not include one from the university, too?

These gaps in the her bio were covered by concentrating on the details of her residency in Capitol Hill. For me, the way that era in her life was handled leaves it open to speculation about her true whereabouts, her true appearance and her true identity.

[Fred Nerks]

Hey, thanks for finding that...nothing changed after a whole year of research...but we did find that article that quoted the son of a kenyan-goat-herder saying in June 1962 that he had not been back to Kenya for SEVEN YEARS!

I will cross post that comment - there’s nothing I would change:

To: bushpilot1; LucyT; BIGLOOK; Beckwith
...here’s my version, FWIW:

Obama Senior arrived in the US in what year we do not know, he wrote to his family in Kenya and told them he was working for an oil company and had married a woman named ANNA TOUT, when the letter arrived, someone who could read in the village, read the letter out to the family, and the name TOUT became TOOT...it’s phonetic. There was no connection between the Dunhams and the name TOUT or TOOT. But the contents of the letters that Obama Senior wrote home to Kenya, over time, became common knowledge in the village. So that when Kezia said, ‘he married ANNA TOOT’ she was simply repeating what everyone knew...

Came time to write the mythology. ANNA and TOOT had to be woven into the narrative. Stanley Ann, who was NEVER known as anything BUT Stanley Ann, or the nickname Stanney, as attested by several of her Mercer Island classmates...was given the name ANN or ANNA, and Madelyn was given the nickname TOOT, ‘because’ isn’t TUT an abbreviation of grandmother in Hawaiian?

(is that right, BIGLOOK?)

ANNA TOUT might have been the woman O Senior married in the US, if he married anybody...but IMO he never married Stanley Ann Dunham. He arrived in Hawaii in 1959 from goodness knows where, and it seems Stanley Ann Dunham was at that time in Chicago.

59 posted on Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:36:13 AM by Fred Nerks

[Fred Nerks]

Date of Naturalization: 20 Mar 1958???

might be for the father of the child born in 1961?

[Fred Nerks]

It was some kind of rooming house...students and elderly people. The King County record shows 10 rooms...we could write a book about that house, but we won’t...

The only thing we cannot be sure about...is that apt 10 listing, as we have never seen an entire page, just the snip posted.

[Fred Nerks]

...Interestingly, that visit was Christmas 1970 which is the same year that the relatives claim little Barry’s mama died. There’s been various theories thrown out there, but no one knows for sure. Curiouser and curiouser.

My impression is custody issues. Probably Family Court? Also the name SOEBARKAH is removed from her passport. Whole nuther story.

[rodguy911]

I hate to sound like a broken records but we have had countless govt. agencies destroying data, scrubbing pages, blackening out web sites for several years now.

It's a wonder we find anything at all about anyone. and those of you here that have found original docs and presented the here have my eternal thanks for all the hard work.

I keep saying absent DNA from every name we have mentioned here or as many as we can obtain its a guessing contest possibly setup that way so we will all go crazy trying to figure out what really happened.

Meanwhile they bankrupt the country.

[Fred Nerks]

...As a computer professional specializing in developing databases such as these, I find no evidence to support your hypotheses.

Not a wise statement to make under the circumstances...

[bgill]

And the same year that the relatives said that his mother died. 1970 was a very busy year, huh.