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To: bgill
Whatever the reason was that he came back is key to a lot of this

One thing I heard earlier from Freeper David, is that his DOH file contains two documents, one of which is something like a "home birth" document which vouches that the child was born in some place other than a hospital (It's a little bit strange, since the issue was not that he was born outside of a hospital, but outside of the state of Hawaii!). David claims that the document is written in one hand, and that appears to be the writing of Obama sr, and that at least one of the names is misspelled, which would be strange, since most people ought to be able to spell their name correctly!

I definitely think that this 1971 visit had something to do with getting Barack jr's records straight (in "Dreams" he talks about seeing his birth certificate during that visit). So it seems that the purpose of the visit was to improve the documentation of the original birth. It certainly wasn't love -- he apparently spent his entire visit drinking with his former college buddies.

However, even if this "fix the records" scenario is correct, it leaves a few items left open. Obama, jr had been adopted by Lolo Seotoro, and taken on Indonesian citizenship. He seems to have kept the Soetoro identity through 1981, when he acquired the CT Social Security Number and began referring to himself as Barack Hussein Obama.

My own personal take, which is not necessarily a legal opinion, is that the child should not suffer the sins of the father. If the father forced the child to get Indonesian citizenship, the child should, at age of majority, be able to decide his citizenship for himself. However, since Barack, jr was apparently in college in California using a foreign social security number (beginning with "99," I believe) and apparently made a trip to Pakistan under his Indonesian passport, his actions speak clearly to a renunciation of his potential American citizenship.

In fact, I have heard it argued that, TO THIS DATE, Obama jr has never become an American citizen! I have never seen reference to his naturalization and we know that he has been living under an assumed Social Security Number for all his adult life. Of course, he did manage to get a US passport once he was a Senator, but that doesn't mean that it was procured legitimately. Remember that at least one individual who accessed his Social Security file was later murdered.

Do I know the true story? I would be the first to admit that my beliefs are based on a fair amount of speculation, tempered with diligent readings of as many reliable sources that I can find on the Internet. I rather reckon my search for knowledge somewhat the same as those who try to defend that Shakespeare truly wrote his own work, as opposed to many other poppycock theories.

445 posted on 04/16/2011 3:51:40 PM PDT by Fractal Trader
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To: Fractal Trader

And the same year that the relatives said that his mother died. 1970 was a very busy year, huh.


460 posted on 04/16/2011 4:45:59 PM PDT by bgill (Kenyan Parliament - how could a man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: Fractal Trader; bgill
I got this far and this jumped out at me:

I definitely think that this 1971 visit had something to do with getting Barack jr's records straight (in "Dreams" he talks about seeing his birth certificate during that visit).

Just up the thread it was determined (if "Dreams" is accurate, although you did say upthread that no one should believe any of it) that he saw the birth certificate and vaccine forms when he was in high school. He wasn't in high school in 1971.

463 posted on 04/16/2011 4:54:12 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Fractal Trader
Based on my own research and reading (e.g., Jack Cashil), the book is clearly fictional in nature and should not be relied on as gospel truth.

I definitely think that this 1971 visit had something to do with getting Barack jr's records straight (in "Dreams" he talks about seeing his birth certificate during that visit). So it seems that the purpose of the visit was to improve the documentation of the original birth.


Which is it, fiction or non-fiction?
473 posted on 04/16/2011 5:48:55 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Fractal Trader
If the father forced the child to get Indonesian citizenship, the child should, at age of majority, be able to decide his citizenship for himself. However, since Barack, jr was apparently in college in California using a foreign social security number (beginning with "99," I believe) and apparently made a trip to Pakistan under his Indonesian passport, his actions speak clearly to a renunciation of his potential American citizenship.

Excellent point!

490 posted on 04/17/2011 4:49:46 AM PDT by tsowellfan (http://www.cafenetamerica.com)
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