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SS# Timeline Pinpointed?
Obama realease your records ^ | March 14, 20011 | Orly Taitz

Posted on 03/15/2011 7:39:23 AM PDT by charlene4

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To: Truthbomb

This is exactly the reason I am so interested in this subject anything can and has been dismissed, but I have hope!
I feel a need to keep it alive and spread it everywhere! This involves a Gov Agency. An angency with traceable records,A name attached to every number etc. Not to mention that just the fact so many numbers are tied to one man. 2 he has used as Senator and Pres. how can this be dismissed? Becoming a dumb question, i guess, HOW and Why.... We must keep the Faith and expose what we can and PRAY.


141 posted on 03/16/2011 7:45:28 AM PDT by charlene4 (Why does one man have so many names and so many Social Security numbers????)
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To: charlene4
I really wish the Social Security number issue would go mainstream. People need to be aware that the (p)resident is an identity thief!
142 posted on 03/16/2011 7:49:06 AM PDT by liberalh8ter
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To: Fractal Trader; SvenMagnussen; melancholy
Sven: Is this the same SSN that you claim the usurper got when he so called "immigrated" back to the U.S. from Indonesia?

Or are you referring to another CT SSN??

Could you share your source for your claim, as this issue get more spicier and spicier like strong Curry or Piri-Piri from Kenya???

143 posted on 03/16/2011 8:21:00 AM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: Brown Deer

What law did I break? I was just pointing out it was not uncommon for a teenager not to have a ss#. The IRS law was different then for claiming dependants.

By the way the wage and child labor laws are different for family business. Also back then minors did not pay income tax.


144 posted on 03/16/2011 9:18:41 AM PDT by outpostinmass2
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To: Mr. K; CharlesWayneCT

You also need to be an American citizen or at least a Resident Alien to get a SSN, which both are questionable for the Soetoro boy!!!


145 posted on 03/16/2011 10:17:51 AM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: butterdezillion; jersey117
Then you had the U.S. Marine Judge Carter who first promised he would hear the case on its MERITS???

Then got a 3:00 AM phone-call and hired a clerk from the defenders' office, and the case from then on was sunked and NEVER tried on its merit, hmmm!!!

146 posted on 03/16/2011 10:33:40 AM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: butterdezillion
I have no doubt of the validity of Hagmann's information that should get every Americans to raise up and demand the truth and nothing but the truth from the rooftops!

Interesting that such information mostly comes from foreign countries like Canada and UK!!

And that explains people like Liz Wiel, Ann Coulter, Whoraldo, Glenn Book's vicious attack on anybody raising this question. A local talking head, Todd Schnitt has blocked his e-mail address for me to reach him, while the rest of the Dung Head Media is silent aka cover ups!!!

147 posted on 03/16/2011 10:57:26 AM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: CharlesWayneCT; dalereed
So even if you believe he was born in Kenya, or Indonesia, that doesn’t mean he’s not an american,

If born in Kenya and that's a huge possibility according to Hagmann's interview with Lucas Smith, do you assume he's an American when he has his Father's name, the sperm giver, and living in Kenya, hmmmm!!!

He does NOT have his mother's name???

148 posted on 03/16/2011 11:07:02 AM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: Brown Deer

Can you give us the source for the death in San Luis Obispo? SS Death Index says Honolulu, although his birthdate in that index is off by one day.


149 posted on 03/16/2011 11:12:57 AM PDT by Greenperson
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To: danamco

Just this morning an apolitical friend said her 15-year-old son had commented on what a closed-minded, unreasonable moron Tom Beka on KFAB (Omaha) was being on the issue of Nebraska’s eligibility bill. I couldn’t get through to talk to him but left a message telling him he needed to read my testimony at my blog so he had a clue what the issue is even about.

I’ve contacted the people at KFAB 3 different times to give them facts about the eligibility issue and as far as I can tell they will not say a peep about the information I’ve given, or acknowledge that they received what I sent. I had wondered how far down the Fox chain the threats went, and the more I see of it, the more I think it probably went all the way down to the local hosts.

Normally Beka is pretty fair-minded. But for an apolitical 15-year-old to notice he’s being an a$$ says a lot.


150 posted on 03/16/2011 11:27:13 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Brown Deer

Ok, so that chart goes back and establishes no history out of CT. But, so what? This is an incredibly mobile country and has been since its founding. After a few generations, most Americans have relatives scattered throughout the 57 states.

I don’t know what the genealogical chart has to do with an alleged series of SS# being applied for from CT/KS/GA or anywhere else by a 16 year old living in HI. If they were applied for illegally, it was illegal. Period.

I still can’t figure out why this is an important issue to warrant anyone’s expenditure of time on it. I found the matter of his NBC status compelling as a Constitutional question, but the SS# questions leaves me totally baffled.

Maybe someone can explain that relevance.


151 posted on 03/16/2011 11:49:29 AM PDT by EDINVA
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To: butterdezillion

The “fix” is in until somebody can pry open the contained can of worms!!!


152 posted on 03/16/2011 12:27:30 PM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: outpostinmass2
What law did I break?

You said that you "worked under the table". In other words, you and your employer were hiding your income from being taxed. That is against the law.

Also back then minors did not pay income tax.


153 posted on 03/16/2011 2:27:34 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Greenperson
The SSDI says his last residence and last benefit was in Honolulu. The California Death Index states that he died in San Luis Obispo County.

His Petition for Naturalization states:
"Third. I was born on the 16th day of February, anno Domini 1 890 , at Ammersville, France "

Name: Jean Ludwig
SSN: 045-26-8722
Last Residence: 96816 Honolulu, Honolulu, Hawaii, United States of America
Born: 17 Feb 1890
Last Benefit: 96816 Honolulu, Honolulu, Hawaii, United States of America
Died: Jun 1981
State (Year) SSN issued: Connecticut (1951)

Name: Jean Paul Ludwig
Social Security #: 045268722
Sex: Male
Birth Date: 17 Feb 1890
Birthplace: Other Country
Death Date: 19 Jun 1981
Death Place: San Luis Obispo
Mother's Maiden Name: Salome
154 posted on 03/16/2011 2:51:46 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: EDINVA
I don’t know what the genealogical chart has to do with an alleged series of SS#

Because YOU said, "Who knows, maybe Madelyn’s family is rooted in CT and she wanted her grandson’s card issued from there."

But, so what? This is an incredibly mobile country and has been since its founding. After a few generations, most Americans have relatives scattered throughout the 57 states.

What you originally said was "rooted", but in any case her relatives are all there. Please point us to a close relative of Madelyn living in Connecticut.
155 posted on 03/16/2011 3:00:33 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Brown Deer

I posited a possibility only. I know families who purposely return to MA for the births of all their children because that is where the family is rooted, and they want them all born there. Some people and families have long-lasting historical ties to places no one has lived in for years (or centuries).

I don’t know or care who BHO’s family or relatives are, where they live or what they do. Including his nuclear family.

The only thing I want to know is: why is this SS# issue important? Can you answer that?


156 posted on 03/16/2011 3:15:36 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: EDINVA
The relevancy is that it points to Identity fraud.

Add that to the fact that he refuses to show a BC and that he's president of the US. That makes it a big deal.

This is something you expect from illegal aliens. Like a Mexican in San Diego California walking around with a Vermony SSN and no BC. It screams FRAUD.

157 posted on 03/16/2011 3:38:57 PM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: PA-RIVER

Vermont.... my fat finger ...


158 posted on 03/16/2011 3:40:06 PM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: Georgia Girl 2; stuartcr; PA-RIVER; bluecat6; Brown Deer; charlene4; Beckwith; butterdezillion

“From everything I have ready Barry did not come to the Mainland until he attended Occidental...”


Your comment rang bells and sent up red flags...

Regarding the motley crew that was/is Barry’s family, no answer to any question can be considered definitive. There seems to always be more to the story. The skeletons in his and his family’s closets have tentacles which themselves multiply with each new discovery - and for those discoveries we who care owe special thanks and kudos to such as butterdezillion, Beckwith, danae, bluecat6 - and others. Without their dedication we’d have little more than the gauze of “Dreams From My Father” - a collection of few truths, many lies, and scores of Barry’s “imaginings”.

What readers should be able to assume is a factual memior is a minefield of out-of-sequence, out-of-context, deliberate obfuscating. It is snippets of perhaps-truths scrambled together to elicit votes from the progs, and it is as well a primer for those who love to hate America.

With the understanding that we can’t assume anything in “Dreams” is truly factual, there is much in there from which we’ve been able to discern liklihoods concerning his past and his paths.

Going to Occidental wasn’t Barry’s first trip to the mainland. There’s no way, presently, to know how many times he was there - but one early trip was documented in “Dreams”.

Back story: From “Dreams”, page 123 [paperback], Barry relates his mother’s and sister’s summer 1982 visit to him in New York City, and quotes his mother as saying: “I was only sixteen then”...”I’d just been accepted to the University of Chicago - Gramps hadn’t told me yet that he wouldn’t let me go - and I WAS THERE FOR THE SUMMER, WORKING AS AN AU PAIR. It was the first time that I’d ever been really on my own.”
And from “Barack and Michelle”, by Christopher Andersen, page 21: “When she was sixteen, Stannie managed to escape for two months to Chicago, where FAMILY FRIENDS HIRED HER TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR CHILDREN DURING SUMMER VACATION.”

As far as is known to me, this is the first connecting of Obama to Chicago. His mother’s sixteenth summer was 1959. She and her parents had previously lived in Kansas, Texas, California, and Washington. Not Chicago - or, Chicago not mentioned as a place of residence. No “family friends” in any location mentioned in “Dreams”. Who were the friends in Chicago close enough to Dunhams that they’d send their 16 year old daughter into their care for the summer?

Jump now to Hawaii, and Barry’s narrative re: his young adolescent years, “Dreams”, page 76: “Gramps had a number of black male friends, mostly poker and bridge partners, and before I got old enough not to care about hurting his feelings, I would let him drag me along to some of their games. They were old, neatly dressed men”...”the kind of men who...figure they’ve seen enough not to have to talk about it. Whenever they saw me they would give me a jovial slap on the back and ask how my mother was doing...”
“There was one exception, a poet named Frank...””...a contemporary of Richard Wright and Langston Hughes during his years inb Chicago...”. “The [p.77] visits to his house always left me feeling vaguely uncomfortable, though, as if I were witnessing some complicated, unspoken transaction between the two men, a transaction I couldn’t fully understand.”

Now to “Dreams”, pages 144, 145: July, 1986. Barry has just arrived from New York City to live in Chicago and to begin his career as a community agitator. He reminisces:

“I had been to Chicago once before...during the summer after my father’s visit to Hawaii, before my eleventh birthday, when Toot decided it was time I saw the mainland...” [Summer, 1972] “Perhaps the two things were connected, her decision and my father’s visit - his presence (once again) disturbing the world she and Gramps had made for themselves, TRIGGERING IN HER A DESIRE TO RECLAIM ANTECEDENTS, HER OWN MEMORIES, AND PASS THEM ON TO HER GRANDCHILDREN.”
[They traveled for over a month - Toot, Stanley Ann, Barry, and sister Maya]
“We flew to Seattle,...California and Disneyland,...Grand Canyon...across the Great Plains to Kansas City...up to the Greak Lakes...back west through Yellowstone Park.” “We took Greyhound buses, mostly...”.
Barry gives NO details of the lengthy trip but this: “We were in Chicago for three days, in a motel in the South Loop...” He then goes on for nearly a full page about his 1972 impressions of Chicago. Returning to 1986, he sums up with: “I imagine Frank in a baggy suit and wide lapels, standing in front of the old Regal Theatre, waiting to see Duke or Ella emerge from a gig.”

In “Dreams” chapter 14 Barry has decided to leave Chicago [temporarily] to attend Harvard law. He moans of how the shackles of slavery had “...redrawn the map of black life...created the very idea of ESCAPE - an idea that LIVED ON IN FRANK AND THOSE OTHER OLD BLACK MEN WHO HAD FOUND REFUGE IN HAWAII...”;
And also in ch.14: “I tried to remember the names of those men back in Hawaii, what they had done for a living, WONDERING WHAT RESIDUE OF THEMSELVES THEY’D LEFT IN ME. THEY HAD BEEN MYSTERIES TO ME THEN, THOSE OLD BLACK MEN; THAT MYSTERY WAS PART OF WHAT HAD BROUGHT ME TO CHICAGO.”

It would seem Barry settled in Chicago not because there just happened to be a job opening for an agitator. It would seem that Chicago was his family’s focal point, and that the web of connections between all the various actors -grandparents, mother, “family friends”, Davis, the “old black card players”, Ayers, Jarrett [in-laws], Axelrod [parents] - determined Chicago was to be his mecca. There is way more to Barry’s historical and present attachment to Chicago than we know, or than meets the eye.


159 posted on 03/16/2011 3:46:18 PM PDT by GGMac ((lesson learned re Obie: parse every sentence, every word, every gesture, every photo))
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To: EDINVA

To start off, identity theft is a felony. Why don’t you think it’s important that we know more about what the leader of this country is hiding from us?


160 posted on 03/16/2011 3:53:20 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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