I infer from Obama’s behavior that he has something to hide that puts his eligibility for office in question. All the alternative-dad scenarios (Stanley Dunham, Frank Davis, Malcolm X, Seattle Mystery Man) may be embarrassing, but they don’t call into question his constitutional eligibility: quite the contrary, they remove all residual doubts about eligibility.
The latter would be extremely valuable to BHO. So it’s hard for me to imagine that he would forego the benefits of removing the “dual-citizen” cloud AND spend more than $1 million to boot (albeit not his own money) fighting these suits in court merely to spare himself that embarrassment. Any of the alternative-dad scenarios reflect poorly on his mom, not him. He hasn’t hesitated to throw grandma under the bus (even though she raised him during arguably the most important years of childhood). So I don’t think he’d hesitate to throw momma under the bus. He certainly has made no effort to hide the fact that she was unmarried when she got pregnant, that her marriage failed and that in the eyes of many, she essentially abandoned her son at age 10 to free herself to pursue her career aspirations. So preserving her reputation wouldn’t appear to be high on his list of priorities.
This leaves birth outside Hawaii. Well, it can’t be Seattle since that too doesn’t create eligibility problems. Due to its proximity to Seattle, its resources for dealing with single mothers (Ann was operationally single even though nominally married) and medical facilities roughly equivalent to the U.S. in quality, Vancouver seems like the most likely place for an Obama birth.
This is consistent with the reports of how quickly Ann Obama was seen in Seattle after the birth, as normally, a doctor wouldn’t have recommended plane travel for an infant before 6 weeks of age http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/air-travel-with-infant/HQ00197
She could have gone by ship, but it’s 4300 miles from Honolulu to Seattle. It takes today’s cruise ships 6 days to cover this distance. http://travel.cruisesfrom.com/index.aspx?site=8002&tide=8903037duration Do-able in theory, but again it’s hard to picture a mom doing this with a newborn only 2 weeks old (first Seattle “sighting” was in late August IIRC). It’s far easier for me to envision travel by car (195 miles from Vancouver to Seattle: piece of cake, and not very expensive!).
By 1961, all Canadian provinces had adopted hospital insurance plans for their residents. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Canada#20th_century. I don’t know what rules were established regarding eligibility for benefits. It seems unlikely they would allow/encourage “drop-in” deliveries by Americans without charging for them. OTOH, we know little of SAD’s whereabouts in spring/summer 1961 except that we know she WASN’T in school and no one yet has surfaced who recalls seeing her pregnant. Thus, it’s conceivable she went to Vancouver in her 5th or 6th month of pregnancy and been there long enough to establish “residency” or otherwise qualify for free care.
Even if she hadn’t, there were facilities such as St. Paul’s Hospital that might have delivered babies very inexpensively or at no charge to single women with no obvious means of support.
http://www.providencehealthcare.org/about_history_stpauls1.html
My theory doesn’t hinge on Ann having gotten free care, but it would explain why Vancouver could have been selected over Seattle as the best choice for delivery. If she’d hung out in Seattle prior to delivery, one would think that at least 1 friend would have come forward by now to report that. And it doesn’t make sense to go to Seattle to try and be incognito. She had a much greater assurance of anonymity in Vancouver than Seattle. If she DIDN’T want anonymity, there would be no particular reason to leave Honolulu where she had a built-in family support system etc.
I won’t beat the Kenyan birth theory to death. Suffice it to say that in light of all the various objections that I’ve already raised about that theory in various posts, a Vancouver birth seems far more plausible/likely.
I hope my reply warrants a passing grade...If not, I guess I’ve flunked your course.
What you said was well-stated and well-reasoned. I see your points.
What doesn’t make sense to me, though, is the statements by Kenyan officials that he was born there or the sealing of Kenyan records. What records would they seal if he wasn’t born there?
From the money end of things, there could have been another source of money, just like there were sources of money for a broke BHO II to travel to Pakistan, Kenya, and Bali - all at points where he was supposedly dead broke. We know he got at least a million (was it 3 million?) in campaign funds from sources he specifically enabled to be untrackable, and they’re claiming he’s planning on “raising” a billion for 2012. BHO Sr’s parents were described as being poor initially, but if I understand correctly they were actually quite wealthy. Correct me if I’m wrong on that.
So I see why the money issue is raised, but with as much as is hidden about that whole family and as connected as they were to the communist community, I wouldn’t write off other sources of money.
The time it takes to get to and from Kenya is another issue. If money wasn’t an issue flights would handle the timeframe pretty easily, I think. And there is a story of a missionary who helped SAD get to the airport. I’ll see if I can find that story for you to look at.
It’s embarrassing to say, but I’m still a bit confused on the timetable for when SAD had to be in Seattle. At first it was said that classes started about 3 weeks after BHO II was born. Then the questions came up as to whether they were distance classes. And last I had heard somebody was saying that the classes didn’t actually start until September. Do you know if we have anything conclusive as to when SAD was actually in Seattle?
If what rolling stone said was true about a passport not being necessary for travel to Canada and Mexico at that time, the Canada theory wouldn’t necessarily explain why the refusal to show passport records - even to the point of presenting to a judge what really appears to be a forged DOS memo. If there wasn’t the element of potential perjury I suppose it could just be them acting like a-holes in order to spite the “birthers”. But to perjure oneself just to spite somebody seems stupid even for government workers.
Interesting stuff to think about, for sure. I hope we get answers someday.
....I infer from Obama’s behavior that he has something to hide that puts his eligibility for office in question. All the alternative-dad scenarios (Stanley Dunham, Frank Davis, Malcolm X, Seattle Mystery Man) may be embarrassing, but they don’t call into question his constitutional eligibility: quite the contrary, they remove all residual doubts about eligibility.....
I pretty much agree, and would add further that Obama appears to be both a patological liar and a narcissist. He refuses to accept responsibility for his actions and blames others.
.....The latter would be extremely valuable to BHO. So it’s hard for me to imagine that he would forego the benefits of removing the “dual-citizen” cloud AND spend more than $1 million to boot (albeit not his own money) fighting these suits in court merely to spare himself that embarrassment. Any of the alternative-dad scenarios reflect poorly on his mom, not him. He hasn’t hesitated to throw grandma under the bus (even though she raised him during arguably the most important years of childhood). So I don’t think he’d hesitate to throw momma under the bus. He certainly has made no effort to hide the fact that she was unmarried when she got pregnant, that her marriage failed and that in the eyes of many, she essentially abandoned her son at age 10 to free herself to pursue her career aspirations. So preserving her reputation wouldn’t appear to be high on his list of priorities.....
While his paternity could cure his eligibility problem now, two years ago he might have been afraid of being branded a commie when now it is obvious he is one, so in my book its not completely ourside the realm of possibilities.
everything else he blames on others anyway.
.... This leaves birth outside Hawaii. Well, it can’t be Seattle since that too doesn’t create eligibility problems. Due to its proximity to Seattle, its resources for dealing with single mothers (Ann was operationally single even though nominally married) and medical facilities roughly equivalent to the U.S. in quality, Vancouver seems like the most likely place for an Obama birth.
This is consistent with the reports of how quickly Ann Obama was seen in Seattle after the birth, as normally, a doctor wouldn’t have recommended plane travel for an infant before 6 weeks of age http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/air-travel-with-infant/HQ00197.....
The six weeks for an infant to fly has been challenged and is still on the table in my book.
..... She could have gone by ship, but it’s 4300 miles from Honolulu to Seattle. It takes today’s cruise ships 6 days to cover this distance. http://travel.cruisesfrom.com/index.aspx?site=8002&tide=8903037duration Do-able in theory, but again it’s hard to picture a mom doing this with a newborn only 2 weeks old (first Seattle “sighting” was in late August IIRC). It’s far easier for me to envision travel by car (195 miles from Vancouver to Seattle: piece of cake, and not very expensive!)....
ok, but not concrete but it does point to a likely non-Hawaiian birth.
..... By 1961, all Canadian provinces had adopted hospital insurance plans for their residents. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Canada#20th_century. I don’t know what rules were established regarding eligibility for benefits. It seems unlikely they would allow/encourage “drop-in” deliveries by Americans without charging for them. OTOH, we know little of SAD’s whereabouts in spring/summer 1961 except that we know she WASN’T in school and no one yet has surfaced who recalls seeing her pregnant. Thus, it’s conceivable she went to Vancouver in her 5th or 6th month of pregnancy and been there long enough to establish “residency” or otherwise qualify for free care.
Even if she hadn’t, there were facilities such as St. Paul’s Hospital that might have delivered babies very inexpensively or at no charge to single women with no obvious means of support
http://www.providencehealthcare.org/about_history_stpauls1.html........
It certainly merits more digging. To get a B.C. Canada birth records after 1903 requires applying for and getting an exemption for good cause.(or for someone to sneak a peak) I wonder why we haven’t seen any Vancouver BC’s for Obama (yet)?
..... My theory doesn’t hinge on Ann having gotten free care, but it would explain why Vancouver could have been selected over Seattle as the best choice for delivery. If she’d hung out in Seattle prior to delivery, one would think that at least 1 friend would have come forward by now to report that. And it doesn’t make sense to go to Seattle to try and be incognito. She had a much greater assurance of anonymity in Vancouver than Seattle. If she DIDN’T want anonymity, there would be no particular reason to leave Honolulu where she had a built-in family support system etc.,,,
This is where the Kenyan birth theory comes in it provides a motive for her to go to Kenya not Vancouver, To meet the Fockers.
....I won’t beat the Kenyan birth theory to death. Suffice it to say that in light of all the various objections that I’ve already raised about that theory in various posts, a Vancouver birth seems far more plausible/likely......
A Vancouver birth seems more plausible when much weight is given to the transportation part of the problem. It does not address the stories by Kenyan Officials, Race Bannon, The Smith Kenyan BC, Obies family in Kenya, etc.
....I hope my reply warrants a passing grade...If not, I guess I’ve flunked your course...
You passed this part of the test,(hard to grade when the real answer is not know by the teacher so we’ll go with pass/fail) but it is like a diamond shining bright with many different faucets...first the undergraduate test the upper division, then post graduate exams. Hopefully by the end we will have a complete anatomy of the mother of all frauds.