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To: DrC

I asked your opinion of where you thought Obie was born since you arpparently dont think he was born in Kenya, so where do you think he was born..and why (extra credit)


304 posted on 02/07/2011 11:25:39 AM PST by rolling_stone ( *this makes Watergate look like a kiddie pool*)
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To: rolling_stone

I infer from Obama’s behavior that he has something to hide that puts his eligibility for office in question. All the alternative-dad scenarios (Stanley Dunham, Frank Davis, Malcolm X, Seattle Mystery Man) may be embarrassing, but they don’t call into question his constitutional eligibility: quite the contrary, they remove all residual doubts about eligibility.

The latter would be extremely valuable to BHO. So it’s hard for me to imagine that he would forego the benefits of removing the “dual-citizen” cloud AND spend more than $1 million to boot (albeit not his own money) fighting these suits in court merely to spare himself that embarrassment. Any of the alternative-dad scenarios reflect poorly on his mom, not him. He hasn’t hesitated to throw grandma under the bus (even though she raised him during arguably the most important years of childhood). So I don’t think he’d hesitate to throw momma under the bus. He certainly has made no effort to hide the fact that she was unmarried when she got pregnant, that her marriage failed and that in the eyes of many, she essentially abandoned her son at age 10 to free herself to pursue her career aspirations. So preserving her reputation wouldn’t appear to be high on his list of priorities.

This leaves birth outside Hawaii. Well, it can’t be Seattle since that too doesn’t create eligibility problems. Due to its proximity to Seattle, its resources for dealing with single mothers (Ann was operationally single even though nominally married) and medical facilities roughly equivalent to the U.S. in quality, Vancouver seems like the most likely place for an Obama birth.

This is consistent with the reports of how quickly Ann Obama was seen in Seattle after the birth, as normally, a doctor wouldn’t have recommended plane travel for an infant before 6 weeks of age http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/air-travel-with-infant/HQ00197

She could have gone by ship, but it’s 4300 miles from Honolulu to Seattle. It takes today’s cruise ships 6 days to cover this distance. http://travel.cruisesfrom.com/index.aspx?site=8002&tide=8903037duration Do-able in theory, but again it’s hard to picture a mom doing this with a newborn only 2 weeks old (first Seattle “sighting” was in late August IIRC). It’s far easier for me to envision travel by car (195 miles from Vancouver to Seattle: piece of cake, and not very expensive!).

By 1961, all Canadian provinces had adopted hospital insurance plans for their residents. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Canada#20th_century. I don’t know what rules were established regarding eligibility for benefits. It seems unlikely they would allow/encourage “drop-in” deliveries by Americans without charging for them. OTOH, we know little of SAD’s whereabouts in spring/summer 1961 except that we know she WASN’T in school and no one yet has surfaced who recalls seeing her pregnant. Thus, it’s conceivable she went to Vancouver in her 5th or 6th month of pregnancy and been there long enough to establish “residency” or otherwise qualify for free care.

Even if she hadn’t, there were facilities such as St. Paul’s Hospital that might have delivered babies very inexpensively or at no charge to single women with no obvious means of support.
http://www.providencehealthcare.org/about_history_stpauls1.html

My theory doesn’t hinge on Ann having gotten free care, but it would explain why Vancouver could have been selected over Seattle as the best choice for delivery. If she’d hung out in Seattle prior to delivery, one would think that at least 1 friend would have come forward by now to report that. And it doesn’t make sense to go to Seattle to try and be incognito. She had a much greater assurance of anonymity in Vancouver than Seattle. If she DIDN’T want anonymity, there would be no particular reason to leave Honolulu where she had a built-in family support system etc.

I won’t beat the Kenyan birth theory to death. Suffice it to say that in light of all the various objections that I’ve already raised about that theory in various posts, a Vancouver birth seems far more plausible/likely.

I hope my reply warrants a passing grade...If not, I guess I’ve flunked your course.


305 posted on 02/07/2011 12:31:26 PM PST by DrC
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