Posted on 01/23/2011 3:37:54 AM PST by MestaMachine
Having come onto this "conversation" when it was already over, I gotta say I am astounded at some of the responses on this thread enttitled "I'm tired of hearing some people, even from FR say that we need to 'rise above the fray'!" by Bigtigermike yesterday.
As a general rule, I don't post too many "vanities," let alone two right close together, but the response to a ping from meadsjn just grew beyond the boundaries of a normal response. So please forgive me for my presumption in advance.
First of all, GingisK made NO accusation. It was a statement. A statement is a far cry from an accusation. And from there, it devolved into baseless accusations against him, much like those we see every dang day coming from the left. Worse, it became a pileon. One of the first things I do when seeing a poster I am unfamiliar with is to check their past posting history.
Being here on FR has taught me a few lessons. One of them is to never attack without knowing thine enemy, because sometimes, a PERCEIVED enemy is NOT...as humblegunner can attest to.
So while I am a bit late, I did read the entire thread and have a few points of my own to proffer.
Secondly, no disrespect to any Christians, but I am a little put off with the "what would Jesus do" answers as well as the attempts to go back in time and pretend that anyone alive today knows how George Washington conducted his personal business and conversations with either his commanders or his troops.
"Civil discourse" makes the erroneous assumption that the hardcore left is willing to engage in factual debate and can have a change of heart if you make your points clearly and succinctly enough. You cannot do it. It is like trying to talk sense to yasser arafat, or any other terrorist, who should have been shot on sight anywhere on earth he was spotted. It did not happen. Why?
I will tell you exactly why. It is because we fancy ourselves much more "civilized" and we, being oh, so civilized, would rather die enmasse than "stoop" to the "tactics" of terrorists.
Kids, I got news. The Revolutionary War was fought using precisely those tactics. Had we NOT done it, we would have lost because the British played by the "rules" most often, and WE did not because during the French and Indian War, had they not silicited the help of the "heathen" natives, no one really knows how THAT war would have turned out. WE learned from them and we fought like them. And we won our freedom because of it.
The left will never obey "civilized" rules. They will never admit they are wrong even when it is so obvious a three year old knows it. Anyone who has seen Nancy Pelosi get up in front of a camera, smile, blink 400 times, and state that she and her ilk have been stalwart conservators of OUR money has got to understand what we are facing here. These are people who will do and say anything to control us from before we are born until after we die...and this IS a war. Playing wordgames and dancing around the truth only prolongs the agony.
This is not a boxing match where you and your opponent shake hands, beat each other half to death, then when the bell rings shake hands again and walk away. There is no walking away from this war. We either win it or our COUNTRY dies.
And I say, we win it by any means possible or necessary. It is they who have resorted to intimidation and lies. It is they who gather in dark corners and plot our demise. It is they who seek to silence any voice raised in opposition to them. It is they who have murdered. It is they who have committed genocide on now two generations of American unborn innocents. It is they who have beaten dissenters. It is they who have stole elections and defrauded the American people by cheating them out of their Constitutional right to a Government OF the People BY the People. It is they who seek to disarm us. It is they who have stolen our properties and our property rights. It is they who have stolen our hard work amd claimed our achievements for themselves. It is they who have dimished us by stealing our money and spending more than we can ever earn to repay the debt they have used to enrich themselves and raise up despots around the world. It is they who have claimed for themselves the very air we breathe and the G-d given water that flows anywhere on this country. It is they who steal our children's souls from early preschool unto "higher" education with their propaganda and revisionist history. It is they who have introduced debauchery and debasement into the moral fabric of society.
I could continue ad infinitum. And what have WE been doing while ALL of this has been happening? Why, WE have been "civil"...to a fault. And I ask you, in all seriousness, what has it gained us? And I would answer THAT by saying that not only have we GAINED nothing, we have LOST nearly everything.
Lastly, as much as I hate to even paraphrase a quote from bill clinton, "Civil" depends on what the meaning of civil is.
CIVIL
Of, relating to, or befitting a citizen or citizens: civil duties.
Of or relating to citizens and their interrelations with one another or with the state: civil society; the civil branches of government.
Of ordinary citizens or ordinary community life as distinguished from the military or the ecclesiastical: civil authorities.
Of or in accordance with organized society; civilized.
Sufficiently observing or befitting accepted social usages; not rude: a civil reply.
Being in accordance with or denoting legally recognized divisions of time: a civil year.
Law. Relating to the rights of private individuals and legal proceedings concerning these rights as distinguished from criminal, military, or international regulations or proceedings.
I assert my right as a citizen of this country to do my civil duty to prevent a rights-usurping government and an activist judiciary from deciding FOR me what "accepted" social usages are...because what they say it is, isn't.
"When in the course of human events..."
You all know the rest.
Please ping if you think it is worthy of such.
silicited
solicited
It’s early...
There’s only one rule that works in war.
Kill them all. By any means possible.
Flame war in three, two, one .....
Those that use the "What would Jesus do" argument to push the liberal agenda do not understand Jesus - Jesus and His followers didn't believe in taking away from others becasue you wouldn't do for yourself - my tag line is more along the lines of what Jesus would do.
These were the men who understood tyrants and tyranny. We don’t...precisely because THEY did. We had best learn. Quickly.
“(Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)”
So is the death penalty.
OTOH, you cannot take prisoners when the only plot of ground you hold is the beach head, and you are about to be pushed into the sea.
is partly right. She needed to answer them, but she also needed someone to champion her and get down on the floor with these people and roll around with them and bite ears and noses off.
Good example of someone who does that well is Andrew Breitbart. Another is Rush Limbaugh. Another, Sean Hannity. Mark Levin has some current notoriety from his libel suit -- he could take a piece.
Point is, the accusations and lies need to be engaged promptly and fought against -- but Sarah isn't the best person to do it for herself, because of her need to "be presidential".
Does that make sense?
Of course it's necessary to fight the lie -- Karl Rove failed his boss by telling him to ignore the liars and defamers -- but you need proxies to do that, when the office involved is the highest in the land, because the People insist that the persons they entrust with it be dignified. (Unless, of course, he's a noncitizen Communist bisexual mountebank from Man's Country in Chicago. Then all bets are off, 'coz he's so special.)
Well, as a matter of fact you can, if the Fleet is still with you (if not, you're screwed) ......
But that isn't our or Sarah's situation right now, not at all.
This thread is not just about Sarah. It is about America, Americans, and the “civility” that the left would impose on ALL of us given a half a chance.
Sarah HAS “risen” far, far above anything the left has slung/flung at her. My point is that we ALL need to realize that it doesn’t start or stop with Sarah. She is one face. That is the face they see when they look at ALL of us. But they are diversifying as we speak.
“A. To wear their old clothes over again till they can make new ones.”
Individual choice. Individual responsibility. FREEDOM
For the Left, politics is a barroom brawl. To too many kind Americans, it is nothing but a squabble over country Club rules.
FWIW, Tom Delay understood and recognized this...and The Democrats spared no effort throwing him out of Congress ASAP
Well said.
It has descended well past the barrom brawl stage. Lest you missed the aftermath of the nassacre in Tuscon. This is gutter advancing into hell.
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