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To: bvw
UW claims the 08/19/61 date on the WND transcript is a mistake based on a data entry typo and should be 09/19/61,

That's believable, and consistent with the fact that Fall quarter here begins in late September.

So the time line looks something like this. Stanely Ann gives birth in Hawaii on August 4. She was young, and there is no evidence or indication that there were any complications with the birth, so she probably was home with her baby on August 5 or 6.

Since the birth went smoothly and she was very young, she likely recovered from it quickly, which makes it plausible that she took her newborn to a party or two within the next couple weeks.

Then she has a falling out with her husband, something not uncommon for teen moms. Maybe he told her at this time that he was a bigamist. Or maybe they just found they couldn 't get along in a stressful situation. These things happen all the time.

Whatever the cause, the falling out causes her to want to get away from her husband in the last weeks of August. What better place to run to then Seattle, where she has a support system in the form of friends made during her high school years? Sure, taking a newborn on 5 hour flight is no picnic, but certainly doable for an young 18 year-old mother with plenty of energy.

Actually, in my experience, young babies under 3 months are easier to travel with than older infants or toddlers. My wife an I took our daughter on a long flight when she was two months, and she pretty much slept the whole time. Friends confirm that this is pretty common.

Once in Seattle, she finds an apartment in Capitol Hill, which was a downscale, mixed-race neighborhood at the time, and starts taking classes at UW extension.

Given that her parents were solidly middle class, and state university tuition was super cheap in those days, all of the above was affordable.

Certainly, it all looks a lot more plausible than a Kenyan birth story. Why do you find the latter more plausible?

225 posted on 01/05/2011 11:26:19 AM PST by curiosity
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To: curiosity

So youre not curious why Obie won’t release his long form, school records or answer where he got his SS card etc.? What is more plausible he is hiding something or he is playing games? He let a career Army officer go to jail because he wouldn’t release his long form, what kind of President/ CIC is that? Playing games, methinks not.


227 posted on 01/05/2011 11:51:55 AM PST by rolling_stone ( *this makes Watergate look like a kiddie pool*)
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To: curiosity

I find nothing beyond possibility in this matter, no story line yet stands out as “plausible”, it is a battle between implausible stories!

The lack of witnesses today and witness reports, printed announcements, official records from 1961 to the marriage — the wedding — of Senior to Stanley Ann cast major doubts that there was an make actual marriage.

The two Hawaiian friends of Senior took a trip to visit him in Kenya a few years later. While speaking of their visit and communication With Senior there was no mention of Stanley Ann nor of Junior, only of another wife in Nairobi. That also speaks against an actual marriage.

What speaks for a marriage? A 1964 divorce decree, with the receipt of service to Senior, signed and hand dated in American date format. The modern recollections of friends in Seattle of 1961 letters that Stanley Ann had written them saying she had married the Kenyan. Obama’s own “auto” biographies. I say “auto” because the first one seems a blend of the life histories of William Ayers, the ghostwriter, and Obama.

Photos of Senior in Hawaii in 1961 ALSO speak against a marriage, as photos of the couple in social settings are not to be found, as far as I know. There are a few photos of Stanley Ann, Senior and Junior, but those seem staged, perhaps even edited.

And there have been claims by Kenyan officials, American and African reporters, and perhaps informal setting statements reported of Michelle Obama, Obama’s Kenyan “aunt” and maybe Obama himself, that make claims of his being born in Africa either directly or by reasonable inference in context.

The short length of the supposed marriage weights to its non-existence, as does Stanley Ann’s late August 1961 appearance in Seattle while Senior remained studying and partying in Hawaii. The photos from that period testify as to his charms on women, which also weighs against a marriage.

Where are the photos of a pregnant wife? Aren’t alpha-males like Senior proud in their ability to procreate? Where is a new father’s pride in showing and telling. Silence. Nothing chirps.

When exactly DID Stanley Ann arrive on the west coast, either in Seattle US, or Vancouver Canada? Where’s the evidence of her being in Hawaii anytime during the summer or spring of 1961? As far as I know, nothing.

To be most judicious to the evidences and statements (none under oath) we have on the matter of Obama’s birth and first few months of life: We do not know where Obama was born. We do not know if his mom was really married, or just inventive of being so. We do not know where Stanley Ann was in the spring and summer of 1961.

The determination of the facts of those circumstances simply cannot be honestly said to be able to make. It’s not even because of unknowns, it is because the knowns do not make enough sense to give any theory adequate credit.


230 posted on 01/05/2011 12:05:58 PM PST by bvw
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