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Democrats Force ‘Birther’ Issue to Rise Again: What Gives?
Pajamas Media ^ | December 29, 2010 | Kyle-Anne Shiver

Posted on 12/30/2010 9:24:48 AM PST by Kaslin

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To: Wild Irish Rogue
" We shall see if any of the fraidy cat talkers on the right have the cojones to finally report this simple fact "

I have a feeling that Rush will talk about this when he get's back from his holiday time off...
They can't ignore it now, it's fair game now since Neil and Crissy has brought this up to a higher level now...
81 posted on 12/30/2010 12:56:45 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: Wild Irish Rogue
" We shall see if any of the fraidy cat talkers on the right have the cojones to finally report this simple fact . "

Mr. Tingle Dingle legs Crissy Mathews has thrown into Rush Limbaugh's way a golden opportunity to milk this sacred cow for all it's worth... and they can't come back and berate Rush about it because Rush can say that Crissy is front and center of asking this too.

WERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE !
82 posted on 12/30/2010 1:03:42 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: Kaslin

The is one dumb article written by one dumb writer. It does not take a genius to figure out that BO is preparing to release a forged BC because he knows that if he doesn’t he will be excluded from the ballot in several States in 2012.

BO is NOT constitutionally qualified to be POTUS regardless of where he was born because by his own admission his dad was a British/Kenyan citizen. SCOTUS has never defined the term “natural born citizen” to any category of citizenship other than “those born in the country of parents who are citizens of the United States of America.

http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2010/05/aka-obama-ineligible-if-he-was-born-on.html

There is a clear, concise and definitive statement in Vattel’s Law of Nations which was the principal legal treatise used by the Founding Fathers in writing the Constitution.

“The natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens... it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.”

http://www.thepostemail.com/2009/10/18/4-supreme-court-cases-define-natural-born-citizen/

In the Venus Case, Justice Livingston, who wrote the unanimous decision, quoted the entire §212nd paragraph from the French edition of Vattel’s Law of Nations, using his own English, on p. 12 of the ruling:

Vattel…is more explicit and more satisfactory on it than any other whose work has fallen into my hands, says:

“The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives or indigenes are those born in the country of parents who are citizens. Society not being able to subsist and to perpetuate itself but by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.
“The inhabitants, as distinguished from citizens, are strangers who are permitted to settle and stay in the country. Bound by their residence to the society, they are subject to the laws of the state while they reside there, and they are obliged to defend it…

Shanks v. Dupont, 28 U.S. 3 Pet. 242 242 (1830)

Sixteen years later the Supreme Court…does not cite Vattel per se, but cites the principle of citizenship contained in his definition of a “natural born citizen”:

If she was not of age, then she might well be deemed under the circumstances of this case to hold the citizenship of her father, for children born in a country, continuing while under age in the family of the father, partake of his national character as a citizen of that country. Her citizenship, then, being prima facie established, and indeed this is admitted in the pleadings…

Minor v. Happersett , 88 U.S. 162 (1875)

The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners

United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)

In this case the Justice Gray cites the decision in Minor vs. Happersett:

At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children, born in a country of parents who were its citizens, became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.


83 posted on 12/30/2010 1:05:10 PM PST by FS11
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To: melsec
" One can only hope! It would need to happen soon because I am sure it would end up in the courts and that might take Obami well past the next election. "

Even if they take it to court, they would have to plead the 5th amendment, because just by the fact they have to take a state to court for eligibility laws that states have passed shows the world there is something very seriously wrong with Obama.
If they take it to court, then, they and him would have to plead the 5th amendment...
84 posted on 12/30/2010 1:19:23 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: Red Steel
The Obots ( Tinkerbell Tinglers ) are really up in arms now, the savages are restless tonight...

The Tinglers are supporting Obama by all means necessary, and don't want the truth to come out ...

Obots/Anti-Birthers = Tinglers.... they always believe in fairytales/made up narratives ..
85 posted on 12/30/2010 1:40:12 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: maggief
What someone really needs to ask is ? what is the relationship between Frank Marshel Davis, Neil, and SAD, and how they got to know each other.
Neil ? did you know Frank Marshel Davis ? come on now, you said you were all a part of some kind of freaky communist club of hippies smoking pot.... come on now, was Frank there with you guys ? and did Frank introduce you to SAD ?
86 posted on 12/30/2010 1:53:36 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: spokeshave

Any country that can make $100 bills like our present ones can fake the BC, including deleting a legit one from the records and substituting BO’s in its place..Heck the CIA fooled the Soviets for years with bogus docs, and that was before the computer digital age...


87 posted on 12/30/2010 1:59:24 PM PST by majormaturity
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To: American Constitutionalist

Agreed, but do you think the average American sheeple, who listen to Katie Couric for the “news”, will give a s&*t about that little wrinkle?


88 posted on 12/30/2010 2:01:19 PM PST by majormaturity
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To: maggief; Wild Irish Rogue; Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!; GQuagmire; wintertime; Fred Nerks; ...
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Article, # 53 , # 63 , # 80.

Thanks, maggief.

89 posted on 12/30/2010 3:17:30 PM PST by LucyT
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To: Kaslin

‘Surely Cassius was an honorable man?’


90 posted on 12/30/2010 3:52:55 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: jamese777
Since it is soooooooo straight forward I have a great idea!

Release for independent forensic examination **all** of the ***best*** evidence that would prove or disprove Obama’s natural born citizenship.

Simple!

91 posted on 12/30/2010 3:56:48 PM PST by wintertime (Re: Obama, Rush Limbaugh said, "He was born here." ( So? Where's the proof?))
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To: jamese777
Since it is soooooooo straight forward I have a great idea!

Release for independent forensic examination **all** of the ***best*** evidence that would prove or disprove Obama’s natural born citizenship.

Simple!

92 posted on 12/30/2010 3:57:36 PM PST by wintertime (Re: Obama, Rush Limbaugh said, "He was born here." ( So? Where's the proof?))
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To: PhilosopherStone1000

No. The communists are trying to head off a qualification fight prior to the next election. I hope it does not work.


93 posted on 12/30/2010 4:07:25 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: wintertime

Since it is soooooooo straight forward I have a great idea!
Release for independent forensic examination **all** of the ***best*** evidence that would prove or disprove Obama’s natural born citizenship.

Simple!


Unfortunately I think that the best that you can hope for is a State of Hawai’i released copy of the long form and notarized depositions from the Director of Health and the Registrar of Vital Statistics.

Independent forensic examination would require a Grand Jury investigation and everybody who could pull that off seems to be too intimidated to go that route or else it would have already happened by now.


94 posted on 12/30/2010 4:22:28 PM PST by jamese777
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To: jamese777
Those in the jury of the Court of Public Opinion don't think like attorneys.

And...Obama and the Democrats will win or lose this in the most important court of all: The people's court of opinion.

95 posted on 12/30/2010 4:27:10 PM PST by wintertime (Re: Obama, Rush Limbaugh said, "He was born here." ( So? Where's the proof?))
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To: wintertime

Those in the jury of the Court of Public Opinion don’t think like attorneys.
And...Obama and the Democrats will win or lose this in the most important court of all: The people’s court of opinion.


And, in my humble opinion, that’s just as it should be.

However it is looking like a copy of the long form will be released for public perusal under a Democratic administration in Hawaii while it was blocked from release under the previous Republican administration.


96 posted on 12/30/2010 4:33:39 PM PST by jamese777
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To: American Constitutionalist

Whomever runs against BO should have his/her BC on an overhead projector during every campaign speech while claiming they are proud to show it and proud to be an American. The candidate should read it out at every stop.


97 posted on 12/30/2010 5:23:54 PM PST by dandiegirl
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To: Kaslin
...Any journalist worth an ounce of salt would be curious as to why any presidential candidate would conceal nearly every documented item from his own past. Obviously, America does not have many remaining curious journalists...

That about sums it up. We'll see what Rush, Hannity, Levin, Beck say next week now that CNBC, Abercrombie, NYT, etc have opened the barn door. FWIW, Megyn Kelly talked about this issue on her show today. She had Rich Lowery on. He said Obama should release his birth certificate. Maybe O'Reilly will pick up on this next week, too.

98 posted on 12/30/2010 6:49:05 PM PST by circumbendibus (Obama is an unconstitutional illegal putative president. Quo Warranto in 2011)
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To: circumbendibus

CNBC=MSNBC (Chrissy Matthews).


99 posted on 12/30/2010 6:50:51 PM PST by circumbendibus (Obama is an unconstitutional illegal putative president. Quo Warranto in 2011)
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To: Kaslin; hoosiermama; LucyT; rxsid
Matthews and Abercrombie + ABC newz (today)

Today's article on ABC that went to some length explaining differences btw. COLB and a BC.. NEVER done before. In the past they spent all their time confusing, misdirecting or denying both types of documents. I did not have access to comments section, but wanted to ask ABC what is behind all this..(not that the question would ever be honestly answered) .

100 posted on 12/30/2010 7:59:01 PM PST by urtax$@work (,)
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