“Meaning that the — inflated — tuition they’re paying is basically wasted.”
Well ... you can become POtuS without ever showing anyone your records ...
So what. Getting an education is a good thing. Please don’t tell me that FREEPERS are anti- college education now all of a sudden.
Karl Denninger also has some interesting takes on this:
That's 16 years, not 12-13.
The problem really is the entitlement mentality that has grown up around a degree. If you are getting an education for the purpose of being an educated man, then you have no false expectations about the kind of job you are going to get. You will get an education, and then you will look for work. You will find an opening and plan to work your way up as you learn the ropes and prove yourself worthy.
But too many people have the idea that a degree means that you must be issued a job in accordance to your (elevated) station in life. Which means they will be highly disappointed when the discover that a welder with a rig in the back of his pickup is making more money than he is. Which might actually contribute to the kind of resentment we sometimes see against industries that generate well-paid blue-collar employment.
Yes, they often take entry level jobs that do not require a college degree. If they ever want a promotion, however, they usually will need that degree. Much easier to get it in 4 years when you are 18-22 and have few responsibilities than to do it when you are older, have a full-time job, a mortgage, and kids. I still think a college education, in the long run, pays off if you are not going to be self-employed.
How many underwater basket weavers from UC Berkley does society need?
I have gone to college (although I am not enrolled this semester due to my current work load), and I intend to get a degree because I want the KNOWLEDGE - not the paper.
I realized exactly how the market was using college degrees when Miller Brewing started requiring their entry-level floor sweepers to have at least two years of college! At that point I realized it was nothing more than a parsing tool!
So, if you are getting a degree to get a better paying, more prestigious job - you are really wasting your money! But, like someone else stated - if you are interested in gaining the knowledge then the sheep skin is just a bonus!
Greenwood University
https://www.greenwooduniversity.org/greenwood/tuition.php
American College of Metaphysical Theology
http://wwwAmerican College of Metaphysical Theology
LOL!
I teach at a university (don’t flame me!).
Are students getting worse over time? Yes. More to the point, they seem to feel entitled. They make demands that reduce their workload, primarily because college has been sold as an extension of high school where socializing is the focal point.
I watch in horror as business schools have gone crazy with “teamwork,” “diversity,” “ethics,” “trust-building,” “negotiations,” and “leadership.” Most of this is code for failed psychologists and weak marketing professors to increase their enrollments. It also gives them the opportunity to pontificate to students. That is, applied Socialism.
Our ethics professor was forced to retire after 1) he spent state funds while on leave at a foreign university to travel, and 2) sold grades for sex. Why not prosecuted?
The latest scam. “International programs.” This enables a bunch of good-ol’ boys and gals to travel in business class overseas on the state/Federal tab for two weeks-month in the name of education. It is a sight-seeing trip for students and faculty/staff.
Yes, I have complained loudly. They tried to buy me off by offering me a free trip to Dubai in business class. Needless to say, that REALLY pissed me off.
No one in the media cares.
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/newman/newman-university.html
and your favorite uncle's advice.
You remember? He told us it is like religion, it might help and probably won't hurt you. That is, unless after immersion, you can't stay humble and begin taking yourself seriously.
The whole college scam has to come apart soon.
I’ve been around ultra high end college/grad school my whole adult life. 95% of it is BS.
And for the 5% real achievers, they could go to State U in a quonset hut, and they’d still rule the world.
When I was a senior, most of us had to raise money to travel to see a key manuscript or art work. Now, the Library at Alexandria and every other damn thing is on my iPad.
Something’s gotta give.
The good news as that there will be no shortage of college grads trained for womynz activism or race pimping or professional dope testing careers.
An American college degree is equal to what a High School diploma was 50 years ago.
Nowadays, it's likely that most undergrad degrees have left the student with a ton of liberal indoctrination, some experience with alcohol poisoning, and at least one STD. Oh, and $40,000 in student loans to pay off, and no job in sight, because nearly everyone has a college degree. He can't write or reason very well, and probably took no science at all.
Frankly, I think of it a lot like 13th through 16th grade now.
(I do feel that science or tech degrees are still valuable for jobs and future, though.)
I don’t have a degree but I did put my three kids and my wife through college. Their tuition is paid off. I’m debt free.
I was an engineer for a fortune 150 company for 30 years and traveled the world over. The company didn’t care if I had a degree...they just wanted results and I gave it to them. Once I showed them I had the capability, they didn’t hesitate to give me that position. (those were the good-old-days). I now work for a consulting firm in an engineering capacity and travel around the country helping other companies (yes, getting paid). The firm I work for puts experience over a degree...
It’s all part of the plan to use education as tool for redistribution of wealth. Grade inflation, social promotion, dumbed down curricula, feminization of the curriculum, worthless majors, like ethnic studies and public administration, it contributes to a less valuable college diploma.
I got a better education in high school than most kids get in college, today. We were writing 20 page term papers in 8th grade. Mine was on the Effect of the Monroe Doctrine on the US foreign policy during the pre Civil War period.
I had four years of Latin, two years of French, all sciences and maths (except calculus).
My freshman year in college included a required course in Religion that covered all the major religious philosophers, ending up with Niebuhr, Tillich and Bonhoeffer. Most seminary students don’t even read some those writers, now, and it was a required 101 level course for us, for all majors.
Education is just not the same.
The cost of college has gotten out of control. $160,000 or more for four years will bankrupt most students and/or parents. I think the point of the article is “Is it worth it?” Bill Gates didn’t have a degree.