[LostInBayport]

“ I don’t say so at all,” Frum protested, “I don’t call for national self-flagellation or self-disparagement.”

So every discussion of life pre-1865 must contain a P.C. disclaimer? Or else people will forget that slavery is wrong? Please.

Frum is one of those liberals who always bring up the fact that Thomas Jefferson and other founders owned slaves. They do it because they find it easier to dismiss the founders outright because of one flaw (owning slaves) than it is to argue against their broader ideals...the ideals that founded this republic.

[Retired Greyhound]

1865?

Life was plenty tough for blacks for much of the 20th Century, too.

So I guess we’ll need the disclaimer to discuss anything to do with America.

Frum is a maroon.

[ziravan]

Frum is one of those liberals who always bring up the fact that Thomas Jefferson and other founders owned slaves. They do it because they find it easier to dismiss the founders outright because of one flaw (owning slaves) than it is to argue against their broader ideals...the ideals that founded this republic.

Yes. And equally important: broader ideals that ultimately led America to lead the way in making slavery largely a relic of the past.

Our own founding documents and ideas damned the idea of slavery. If our rights come from God. . .

Exactly.