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To: al baby; justa-hairyape; ErnBatavia; Last Dakotan; irishjuggler; ETL; Kirkwood; buccaneer81; ...
Thank you all for the responses. I have made a number of inquiries to those experts on launches and rockets and I did receive this response from an analyst in the middle of this event:

"It is however perfectly true that there are missile launches in that area, some of them secret ."

"Launches of NASA Black Brant IX rockets from San Nicolas Island in California carrying MARTI targets for the Missile Defense Agency's Airborne Laser testbed were until recently on public NASA schedules - those schedules have been removed from public access in the past few weeks. The most recent MARTI launch, which was publicly acknowledged, was on Oct 21. The MDA has also launched Scud missiles as targets from the ocean off Point Mugu. Launches of target missiles for the Aegis ship-based missile defense system being tested by the US and Japan have also occurred in the Pt Mugu area."

"Nevertheless, the consensus of analysts is that the particular contrail seen on Nov 9 was not a missile, and this is consistent with DoD statements on the matter."

Do not ask who my source is, suffice to say that it is someone in absolute knowledge of every missile launch on the planet, private and military. That being said, I remain skeptical for technical reasons offered by a rocket expert I trust, that it was a missile launch. There are satellite photos of the event that I am told deepen the mystery.

I am certain that if it was a missile launch it was a DOD event, no foreign power would risk an act of war.

374 posted on 11/16/2010 8:52:28 PM PST by gandalftb (OK State, 9-1, Go Cowboys!)
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To: gandalftb
Thanks for the information. Have not been on this particular thread for awhile. What this really means is that we have to have absolute confirmation as to just what this event was. Could not be a launch from Pt. Mugu, since it was first seen 35 miles southwest of Los Angeles. So that leaves four possibilities. Unknown launch from San Nicholas (testing for another country or super secret project). Sub Launch from Southwest of Los Angeles (US or Foreign). Or a plane that fooled a heck of a lot of experts. Notice that a new thread about a sat image was started. Will check that out later tonight.

Why did NASA stop making the Black Brant IX rocket launches public ? Anyone have the specs on that rocket and some plume images ? We did just get non-official confirmation of where the Airborne Laser test rockets where fired from. All I knew before was somewhere off the So Cal coast. Just assumed San Nicholas. Safest point to launch from. I guess it might be a good idea for them to make those test launches public in the future, so we dont mistake any of those for incoming. Of course they might be trying to mask the test firing and results from the enemy spies we no doubt have all along our coast.

375 posted on 11/16/2010 9:34:22 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: gandalftb

I knew it was. Heck, I am part of an organization that does for our country.


379 posted on 11/16/2010 9:57:16 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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To: gandalftb

Snippet from your post:

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“It is however perfectly true that there are missile launches in that area, some of them secret .”

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Thanks for the ping gandalftb.


382 posted on 11/17/2010 12:38:51 AM PST by Cindy
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To: gandalftb

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Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 10:30 AM
Subject: RE: More Missile Intel

I think it was the Chinese.... they popped up right in the middle of one of our other contingents near Taiwan and no one knew it was there either... what a fool CIC and the joint chiefs and a complicit one... like he said, no way this was an accident... that low-life, scumbag, bottom-feeding, communist SOB... Tish

Subject: Fw: More Missile Intel
More info on the missiles off calif,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Jack
God Bless America and all those who have and are fighting for her.

November 11, 2010
FC2- ANDREW/ RET

Hello Steve, Finally there is something that has occurred, in which I am actually an expert and qualified to give a real answer about.

I am a retired U.S. Navy FireControl Technician, who is platform certified in the gun and missile systems on board Adams class guided missile destroyers, I have also worked with the Navy’s Harpoon, Tomahawk and ASROC missile systems. (FireControl Techs operate, maintain and repair the computer, radar and periphial systems used to launch and guide the various naval weapon systems, we are the guys who “PUSH THE BUTTON”)

Anyway, what I saw in the recent video concerning the object 30 miles off the coast of CA. Is blatently a foreign made, Large Cruise or ICBM missile, being launched by a sub-surface aquatic platform. First I
know its a large missile because it did not exhibit the typical “corkscrewing” trajectory of a beam riding missile as it trys to acquire the targeting beam. This tells me its a Big Boy with a complete guidance system installed in it, what is nicknamed a “fire and forget” missile, as once its launched its internal guidance system takes over and there is no real need for external guidance.

Secondly, I’m fairly confident its not one of ours, as the vapor trail appears “dirty” it looks brownish. I have personally been involved in (5) SM2 missile launches, and (2) ASROC missile launches, and have
been on safety observation for at least 15 more launches of Harpoons, Tomahawks and other missiles. We put a lot of sweat and money into our “birds” and part of that is the fuel cells, they burn very clean, a
whitish-blue infact, not a dirty blackish brown. That missile had rather crude fuel cells, which tells me its not one of ours.

I bet the brass in Washington is freaked out big time, because of what I know of our “defenses” they should really have had a pretty good idea this thing was sitting there, and they should have been watching
it, not only that the moment it broke the surface of the water and ignited our early warning dopplar should have picked it up, and relayed the info to NORAD, and the CAP units flying patrol over the
country...

Any high ranking expert who believes this is a condensation trail off of a commercial airliner is lying or stupid. I hope you hear from other Fire Control Techs who saw the same thing I did!

I forgot something, as any Firecontrol Tech or Gunnersmate will verify, the protocals to launch a missile are so complex, there is no way this was an “accidental” launch. I do not want to share too much info, but there is no “one red button” to launch a missile, that’s all hollywood B.S. Yes two keys are turned to arm the system, but it takes at least three other things to occur in proper sequence to launch a bird, so that’s at least 5 people all doing something at the right time. Its impossible to accidentally lauch a missile! FC2- ANDREW/ RET


383 posted on 11/17/2010 4:52:34 AM PST by RaceBannon (RON PAUL: THE PARTY OF TRUTHERS, TRAITORS AND UFO CHASERS!!!)
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To: gandalftb

What I took from this whole discussion was a surprise at how little Americans trust their government to keep them safe, and how much anxiety there is toward the rise of the Chinese.


386 posted on 11/17/2010 7:00:30 AM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: gandalftb; AdmSmith; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks gandalftb. The only foreign non-power which would risk it is North Korea, but that isn’t too likely.


388 posted on 11/17/2010 7:25:30 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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