Posted on 11/11/2010 3:22:56 PM PST by Casey Hendrickson KDOX
This is a post I don't want to write. Unfortunately, I have to.
Yesterday on the program we discussed the proposed changes in the horrendously biased coroner's inquest process here in Las Vegas. During that segment, I had the lamentable task of telling you that many police officers, the Sheriff, and even the DA all opposed the basic changes to the inquest process demanded by the public.
(Excerpt) Read more at caseyandheathershow.com ...
The timeline was given at the inquest. I didn’t keep a link to it. Maybe Mr Rogers has it.
As I've asked you before and NEVER received a reply, I'll ask again... How is the simple act of posting a TV news story or newspaper article cop hating?
How is that so? I
'm sorry there are so many of them, new stories about criminal and corrupt cops but you need to address that with the cops who are committing those crimes, not the people who post the articles.
Your no different than a lib who calls anyone who says or writes anything critical of Obama a racist. Infact that is the perfect analogy of what you are doing.
You cannot refute the facts, so you attack the messenger.
Again, I'm sorry for posting so many news articles that detail criminal actions by your fellow cops. But again... you need to take the quantity argument up with them. After all its not me breaking the laws, its them. I'm just repeating the news stories here.
OK, I understand the lack of a link. Almost all the information is filtered at least once through the media. The Clark County Coroner charges $1 a page for transcripts so to actually access the testimony is not possible.
But don’t you see? This or any other topic...say global warming or the health care bill, getting information second hand, third hand, or just by opinion about what it might be, aren’t facts.
Once again. Is the inquest process flawed? Why is it flawed? Is it corrupt or simply the results weren’t what people wanted?
So much heat, almost no light. All there is are opinions backed by almost no facts.
Now, nowhere has there been any discussion on this thread about Scott’s drug use, misuse, anger, questionable lifestyle, being impaired, anything. I didn’t bring it up, because I am not trying to have a ‘side’ or ‘agenda’. I am trying to find out why the inquest process is flawed, and why this inquest was flawed.
Still no facts, only opinion.
Having talked to Nevada residents on here, the PTB are all in each others pockets in Las Vegas. The locals know that they are all crooked. And they are afraid of them. Fearing your own police force and those that are supposed to keep them honest is dangerous.
Of course I’ve replied to you. Remember when I called you out on your omission of the heroic school resource officer in Tennessee that threw herself in front of the vice principal to protect him? Or the responding officers that killed the gunman? Remember back in the beginning of September pinging cop stories to me? Rember when I told you I don’t chase you around warning others? Remember? Of course I’ve replied to you.
You only choose negative stories. ONLY. You are the poster child for cop haters here. Have you ever talked about being mistreated by the cops? I’m not the only one that’s pegged you as such. You know that.
Now, what facts are in question here? I seem to be doing all the asking. Why was the inquest process flawed? You came in here with
“ Irish... for you, nothing, absolutely nothing anyone could provide to you would convince you that cops in this country can do wrong.
To Casey Hendrickson KDOX, you’ve really come to the wrong website if you think you’ll find a friendly ear here when talking about the misconduct of cops and the corruption of the criminal justice system as a whole.
Around here at “Free” Republic, you’re more likely to be censored and put in time out by the moderators or banned than to find a sympathetic ear.
The cops who lurk and post here are all too quick to run to the mods, complain and get you tossed. Best to just stick to such topics as Obamas birth certificate...
Good luck and welcome to the forum!”
So now you accuse me of the behavior of what you just posted? Well, you’re the liberal here pal. Good to see you back to form.
Why is the Nevada coroner inquest corrupt? That was the question. Since you must have the facts, what are they?
Fair enough.
Is it true that in over 200 cases the “Corners Inquest” in Las Vegas has never, not once found a shooting to be unjustified?
And is it true the Metro Officers are saying they would no longer take part in the inquest system if the rules are changed?
According to http://www.fox5vegas.com/news/25689840/detail.html
Thats exactly what they are saying... kinda strange...
Seems to me they know they have a good thing here, an inquest system that has never found, not one shooting unjustified. Folks want to change the process so the cops are balking because their little kangaroo court racket protection scheme is about to come tumbling down.
The District Attorney to take a reduced role in the process because of the close relationship between the DA and Metro.
One attorney that represents the public and the deceased, while another would represent the officers.
And there would also now be cross-examination of witnesses and officers by both of those attorneys.
Seems fairly innocuous to me, wonder why the cops are all howling and objecting to any changes?
You cannot teach what you obviously do not know.
The gun could not be fired in the holster. I have a holster just like it, and I tried it with an empty gun. No workee. And with no round chambered, the slide would have to be racked. That means NO THREAT. Period. It isn’t up for discussion. You don’t get a vote nor are you allowed an opinion. It could not have happened.
“Your citing of other cities is immaterial. “
Of course. Las Vegas has perfect cops who have never ever been found to use bad judgment. That other cities have human cops is irrelevant in discussing the question of how inquests are run in Las Vegas.
“and the blog of the inquest, which also aren’t facts but provide quotes which could be factual if accurately quoted and those quotes were verified as factual.”
View the time line for yourself:
Other quotes found in reporting showed Mosher claiming to have said things he did not say (the audio tape exists), and Mosher claiming it was easy to shoot a gun like that in the holster, which is false - although no one called Mosher on it.
Twist and turn as you wish, but there ARE facts. Facts not discussed at this inquest, which was too busy trying to show Scott was trying to commit suicide...
Seems the family is suing Metro PD over this, so I guess we will get the facts in the civil case and not from a wildly tainted “Corners Inquest” that has never not once found a cop unjustified in any shooting in its entire history...
But, OK. Even though it doesn't, let's look at it.
I don't know if 200 cases have been reviewed and found justified or not. I don't know if any of those cases were followed up by a civil trial. I don't know if there were civil rights violations alleged to the Justice Department. I don't know the particulars of any of them. The closest I got was a newspaper article indicating that the 200 number started in 1976 and only one was found to be criminally negligent. I have no idea if that is out of line with other large metropolitan areas. I don't know how they handle police shooting reviews.
Next, your hatred is peeking out a bit. “cops are balking because their little kangaroo court racket protection scheme is about to come tumbling down.”
Oh, yea, it's me that is discrediting the messenger.
The problem I would see as an officer is that mandatory participation without representation is giving away your rights without any legal protection. There is nothing innocuous about that. I doubt you would talk to the cops or appear in court without an attorney yet those are the rights you would take away from the officer. Why would they want to do that? You wouldn't.
Now a quick glance at the Coroner's office site shows they performed 1,412 in 2007, their latest updated stats. The coroner, P. Michael Murphy, doesn't seem to be a medical examiner, but an administrator. There are forensic scientists that do the actual autopsies. Interesting. How has that office evolved in the past thirty four years?
If Nevada wants to change their system, well they should go ahead and do it. The police and sheriff will just have to adjust. It is the legislature that sets the rules. Once the state does it, Clark County will have to go along. It appears they are considering changing it anyway at their level. How do they compare with other counties? I don't know.
But hey, thanks for that trip to nowhere. It was interesting. I now know more about Nevada than I did before.
What you can do, and not do, with a gun in the holster is immaterial. What you do in front of the bedroom mirror at home with a gun is immaterial. What your opinion of that gun in the hands of someone else is immaterial. What you view as a threat in the comfort of your den is immaterial. It is you that don't get a vote. No one cares about your opinion. No one cares, because it doesn't matter, that you think the gun wasn't a threat. Because it is your opinion, not a fact.
Citing other cities is immaterial because they are other cities and immaterial.
The link isn't working, but I'll try again later. Thanks for that as I would like to see the timeline. That would be a fact. Good for you finally finding one.
Now, once again, we go back to opinions. The transcript for the inquest isn't online and costs a dollar a page. Everything else is through the media, which means likely out of context or incomplete. I don't know how accurate it is.
Finally, since you have flat worn me out and I am moving on tonight, I have yet to receive an answer as to why the inquest was flawed. Conflicting testimony isn't the indication of a corrupt system, it is an indication of a chaotic moment.
So thank you in advance for the one fact, the timeline, which I hope to access later. All the rest was useless.
But hey whatever floats yer boat... it appears that I was right, the Las Vegas Corners Inquest has been questioned by everyone including a now retired NV Supreme Court Judge who sits on the review board to reform it, calling it a “circus.”
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2010/oct/05/group-propose-changes-coroners-inquest-process/
http://www.fox5vegas.com/news/25289993/detail.html
And yes, here it is...
August of 2010 Reason Magazine reported on another "questionable" shooting by the LVPD cops... (imagine that)
They point out that, The seven-member inquest jury nevertheless concluded that the shooting was justified. "Of about 200 Clark County coroner's inquests in officer-involved killings since 1976,"
http://reason.com/blog/2010/08/27/the-las-vegas-solution-to-fata
Seems like the cops in LV have it good, they can more or less kill/murder whomever they wish cuz the Coroners Inquest will just clear them...
"only one has resulted in a finding of criminal negligence. Whether that near-perfect percentage of acquittals results from exceptionally good police work in Las Vegas, or an inadequate process and institution, depends on who one asks."
So either LVPD has had cops on the payroll since 1976 that are more or less perfect and make the right decision everytime all the time or the system is rigged, flawed, in favor of the cops...
Now considering what we know about the way one works, DA runs it, hand picks the witnesses and the questions, no right to cross examination or even for the victims attorney to be present etc...
Seems to me like its just ripe for corruption as is most of the were entrusted to “investigate” ourselves types...
“I have yet to receive an answer as to why the inquest was flawed”
You have received answers, but you don’t care. Like the inquest, you are not interested.
A gun in a holster that cannot be fired is not a threat. That is not an opinion. To be a threat, it must be capable of inflicting harm. Since it was not, it was not a threat.
Other cities are not immaterial. If 100% of the votes in one county all go to the democrats, and 0% to the Republicans, while every other county is evenly split, that is a pretty good indication that there is cheating going on. Everyone understands that, unless they don’t want to admit the truth.
You might try auditioning for the Today Show. With your ability to ignore the facts and shut your eyes to the truth, you could do well there...
I can't make you think. I can't make you understand that your Monday morning quarterback evaluation of the condition of the gun is as immaterial as your attempt to salvage your pitiful attempt to discredit anything that impacts your fantasy.
So good luck, Go with God, I hope you don't operate heavy machinery, all of that. I do hope that someday, somehow, enlightenment hits you and you find out the difference between fact and opinion (Which includes your interpretation of what facts mean), and you start asking for primary sources and stop being spoon fed. It's doubtful, but I hope.
As soon as we know anything new we’ll talk about it. The County Commissioners appear hesitant to make the changes because they aren’t supported by the police.
I’m never looking for a sympathetic ear, but thanks for the warning. We two more shootings this week ... one justified, one not.
Nope. I’ve been on these forums for years under other names because CBS wouldn’t allow me to post here. I’ve just been swamped. Honest.
You didn’t follow as closely as we did in the media then. The witnesses were split in three even parts. One group said that Scott pulled a gun, and aimed it at officers. Another said he never drew the weapon at all. The last group (majority) said he appeared to be disarming by taking his weapon (while holstered) off his person. Not saying that’s the brightest move, but it doesn’t warrant lethal shooting. Also, one of the officers testified that he was surprised there was shooting because the situation appeared to be under control. There’s also more than one witness that has publicly stated Scott told Officer Mosher he was disarming. Then we have testimony from Mosher himself that he approached Scott in an aggressive fashion with his weapon drawn. Keep in mind, Scott had not broken any law at that point.
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