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To: STE=Q
Jedi Pauly wrote the most sexist article on the subject I have seen thus far. I doubt Jedi has even read any of the laws on citizenship written at the time which makes Jedi's claims that much more offensive.

I use the phrase “a right based on natural law” in the sense that a “Natural Born Citizen” has the “natural right” to run for President Of The United States — providing he meets the other requirements of age etc.

Under natural law, a female is under the tuition of the father until she marries. Until then, she is a member of the society in in which her father is a member of. On the day she marries, she leaves the father & joins the society of her husband whom she is now under the protection of.

In the eyes of the law, the two become one” Justice James Wilson, 1st US Supreme Court

In natural law, no one has a quote, “RIGHT” to citizenship. They have a choice at the coming of age what society they choose to align themselves too. Until a child is of age, that child is the “subject” of the parents because it can not speak for itself. The child owes obedience to the parents & the society in which the parents are members AND the laws of nature dictate the parents owe protection to the child during until it reaches the age of reason that is set by the positive laws of the society. In America, at the time of the founding, it was 21. Sure, the child may have been considered a member of the local society in which the parents were members of, but politically, it was the child's choice to make upon emancipation form the parents. Take that which he naturally was connected to through blood or travel and find another. It is all based on the consent of the individual.

Period, end of lesson. No rights involved, it is as the Law of Nature and of Nature's God intended it to be. There is no right, but there is a choice.

26 posted on 11/05/2010 9:20:34 AM PDT by patlin (Ignorance is Bliss for those who choose to wear rose colored glasses)
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To: patlin
I use the phrase “a right based on natural law” in the sense that a “Natural Born Citizen” has the “natural right” to run for President Of The United States — providing he meets the other requirements of age etc.

"In natural law, no one has a quote, “RIGHT” to citizenship. They have a choice at the coming of age what society they choose to align themselves too."

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I simply defined my terms.

A "RIGHT" based on Natural law is a Natural -- intrinsic -- indelible right.

It goes without saying that a Natural RIGHT can be exercised -- or not -- at the discretion of the individual, at the coming of age.

In fact, expatriation is itself a Natural Right -- as you pointed out in post #24

I believe one has a Natural right to self defense.

Does that mean one can't "choose" to be a pacifist?

Of course not!

There is no right, but there is a choice.

There may be both a Natural right AND a choice.

The two are not necessarily mutually exclusive.

"Government, in my humble opinion, should be formed to secure and to enlarge the exercise of the NATURAL rights of its members; and every government, which has not this in view, as its principal object, is not a government of the legitimate kind"... James Wilson, Lectures on Law, 1791

STE=Q

30 posted on 11/05/2010 11:39:09 AM PDT by STE=Q ("It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government" ... Thomas Paine)
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