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Apple confirms MacBook Air bugs internally
BoyGeniusReport ^ | Nov 4th, 2010 | Zach Epstein

Posted on 11/04/2010 6:01:17 AM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier

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To: dangerdoc; dayglored

Thanks danger. I ping the people who typically find these kinds of threads interesting and informative. No surprise some would think it’s a “hate” list or something, since I dare say anything negative about Apple...


41 posted on 11/04/2010 6:58:12 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
> Apple hate ping list? Ever call Sword's list the Apple Adoration list? Or call out Sword on his proven spreading of lies about Windows NT? How about a little balance... I know, too much to ask from the religion that is Apple!

Take it easy, Puget! I was just joking with ya. Geez...

I didn't take issue with any of your factual statements, or even your opinions. I only gave you a tweak about yet another over-the-top "call-in-the-troops" Attack-Apple thread, in which you got so worked up you started saying things even you know aren't right.

No big deal, just calm down a touch... :)

42 posted on 11/04/2010 6:59:54 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored

I’m relaxed, just got off 8 hours of flights including a small turbo prop on a windy night.


43 posted on 11/04/2010 7:00:24 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: dangerdoc; PugetSoundSoldier
> Are you sure it’s an Apple hater list? I’m an Apple owner myself.

Oh, there's no such list, to my knowledge. I was just joking with Puget because of his penchant for posting threads about Apple product issues with, shall we say, a certain slant to the commentary and pings, that implies that Apple's failed yet again. He takes such joy in them, that feeling a little impish tonight, I felt moved to point and giggle a little bit. No real harm intended, of course.

You note that, if there were such a list, I requested that I be on it as well. I own a few Apple products too, along with a wide variety of other makers' products, but the list would indeed be interested to be on.

44 posted on 11/04/2010 7:05:36 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: driftdiver
> I’m relaxed, just got off 8 hours of flights including a small turbo prop on a windy night.

Wow, good for you if you can be relaxed after that! I don't mind flying, rather enjoy it, but small craft in heavy wind does not make for ease peace of mind.

45 posted on 11/04/2010 7:08:23 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored

The exciting part is having the pilot turn around to give the pre-flight brief.

That and watching the runway lights sway back and forth through the windshield on approach.


46 posted on 11/04/2010 7:11:31 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier; dangerdoc
> Thanks danger. I ping the people who typically find these kinds of threads interesting and informative. No surprise some would think it’s a “hate” list or something, since I dare say anything negative about Apple...

I was just joking, Puget, sorry you got more worked up over a light-hearted comment.

I'm honestly interested in knowing about such things, and would appreciate being on your list, since I -do- "find these kinds of threads interesting and informative".

The comments are expected to range from hard-pro to hard-con, of course. But the thread itself is nearly always of interest.

You know full well that I say negative things about Apple when they screw up -- we've had exchanges about their issues in the past and I've often agreed with you about the reality of problems. You needn't try to smear me with the "Apple fanboi" brush you wield so freely. You know my background and where I'm coming from as well as anyone here.

Just as you have the right to go over-the-top about an issue, I have the right to call you on it if I disagree on the severity of the issue. I would expect you to do the same for me. Fair enough?

47 posted on 11/04/2010 7:14:54 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: driftdiver
> The exciting part is having the pilot turn around to give the pre-flight brief.

Yikes!

> That and watching the runway lights sway back and forth through the windshield on approach.

Years ago I was coming into Ithaca from Washington DC on a small commuter ("flying sewer pipe") in the middle of a nasty blizzard. They closed the Ithaca airport, and we were diverted to Binghamton. The pilot had the cockpit door (curtain?) open, and I watched with fascinated horror as the runway went completely out of view, first to port, then to starboard, then back....

We did land safely, and the passenger cabin erupted in applause, whistles, and cheers.

Every landing since that has been dull by comparison. So I know just what you're talking about!

48 posted on 11/04/2010 7:20:48 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
> Or call out Sword on his proven spreading of lies about Windows NT?

I looked at your link (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2614507/posts?q=1&;page=151). I didn't contribute to that thread; I looked at it briefly early on and skipped it after that.

But to your comment there... Your statement about Cutler and his team ("Windows NT was written clean-sheet by Cutler and crew, and it was multi-user, multi-tasking, multi-core from the beginning.") was correct when they started, up through NT3.5 (which was when I started running it, BTW).

Unfortunately, the clean design of the original NT, which for example had device drivers, spooler, video, etc. implemented in userland, outside the kernel, where they belong architecturally, was SCRAPPED for NT4.0 and later, because Microsoft was obsessed with making NT4.0 look and feel like the DOS-based Windows 95 that was then coming out.

Cutler was none too happy about that. Surely you remember that. Well, if you don't, I certainly do. It was a huge disappointment for those of us who were hoping to see Microsoft move forward instead of backward.

And it plagued Windows from then onward. The integration of those functions back into the kernel caused all manner of problems for the next decade, and contributed to the difficulty of making Windows stable and secure.

So while Swordmaker's statement ("not built from the ground up with such architecture in mind") wasn't on the mark, your retort, while factually more correct, was intentionally incomplete on a key point. IMO.

For what it's worth, if I had been following that thread I probably would have jumped on Swordmaker's comment. I do know a few things about the development of Windows, having been there, as part of a development team working tightly with Microsoft through the 90's.

49 posted on 11/04/2010 7:49:50 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored
I do know a few things about the development of Windows, having been there, as part of a development team working tightly with Microsoft through the 90's.

Are there still nights when you wake up screaming?

50 posted on 11/04/2010 10:51:35 PM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: LearnsFromMistakes

There are also USB to DVI display adapters. The brand you want to look for is DisplayLink — several different manufacturers use their chipsets, which means you can use their drivers. Most of the manufacturers don’t support Mac, but DisplayLink does.

I have one from Kensington that I used to drive a second monitor on my Mac Mini, and now I use it for a third monitor on my iMac. The performance is nothing to write home about, not suitable for video playback, but it’s great if you just want a place to stick palettes or status windows while you work on the main screen.


51 posted on 11/04/2010 11:02:05 PM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
I’m surprised they didn’t just put an HDMI connector on there - it’s about the same size as their mini display port, it would fit really nice and allow anyone to plug in to any modern (last 3 years) TV or external monitor.

But that’s a standard, and wouldn’t allow them to sell a $30 dongle/adapter... Guess I answered my own question!

Mini DisplayPort is a VESA standard. DisplayPort (in any size) supports greater bandwidth, higher resolutions, more color spaces and greater cable lengths than HDMI. It supports data channels, e.g. closed captioning, which HDMI doesn't. It's packet-based instead of serial streaming, which makes it more versatile and adaptable.

But, hey, don't let that dissuade you from trotting out the theory that Apple's hardware decisions are built around selling adapters, an argument you probably made when Apple ditched VGA in favor of DVI.

52 posted on 11/04/2010 11:47:11 PM PDT by ReignOfError
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53 posted on 11/05/2010 12:24:09 AM PDT by bd476
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To: dayglored; Swordmaker

Can you show me where NT lost multi-tasking, or multi-user, or POSIX standard capabilities? It didn’t. The UI and kernel started to mesh, but it never lost the functionality it had from day one - Sword’s revisionism notwithstanding.


54 posted on 11/05/2010 12:44:28 AM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: ReignOfError

And besides Apple, who uses DisplayPort? Most laptops now have HDMI or DVI out, since it’s the standard input on pretty much all displays. As far as I can tell, it’s a standard used by a single vendor - Apple.


55 posted on 11/05/2010 12:48:08 AM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier

I am looking at updating from msntv/webtv to Logitech Revue.

That requires a HDMI (?) port on the HDTV.

I first looked at the new Sony/Google internet but the key board is more for gaming type activity.

Logitech/google (who launched a week prior to sony/google) has a normal keyboard for Freepin.

Any ideas on small HDTV with that specifi port?

I am not in a hurry as both being brand new on the market I am waiting untill the reviews come out.

The great thing is it just plugs into from cable and no internet monthly fees.


56 posted on 11/05/2010 1:47:11 AM PDT by Global2010
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
And besides Apple, who uses DisplayPort?

Just a few laptop manufacturers you've probably never heard of, with names like Dell, HP, Toshiba and Lenovo. For desktops, you're stuck with video cards from obscure companies like ATI and NVidia.

57 posted on 11/05/2010 1:51:54 AM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: ReignOfError

Funny, my HP laptop doesn’t have a display port, it does have HDMI. And my Dell laptop and desktop had VGA and HDMI outputs. Nope, no DisplayPort around here!


58 posted on 11/05/2010 1:59:04 AM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: Global2010

Not sure what you’re asking - are you asking for a computer with DVI/HDMI output, or a display with DVI/HDMI input?


59 posted on 11/05/2010 2:00:55 AM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
Funny, my HP laptop doesn’t have a display port, it does have HDMI. And my Dell laptop and desktop had VGA and HDMI outputs. Nope, no DisplayPort around here!

That's nice. I didn't realize that the universe under consideration was laptops you own.

60 posted on 11/05/2010 2:04:20 AM PDT by ReignOfError
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