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To: bushpilot1

Oh! Good Night!

Give up on Vattel!! For heavens sake!!

Taking a guy that has zero relevance on our constitution or our established precedence or case law is beyond belief

It should NOT take quoting Vattel for us to know that Obama needs to go.

Obama needs to go for:

1. Being a socialist
2. Being anti american
3. Being anti constitution
4. Being inept and lazy
5. Being dishonest

and so on...

so let us keep crackpot theories out of this.. please...

I can already think of 101 VALID reasons to dump Obamanation... I don’t need a fake fantasy reason....


5 posted on 11/02/2010 6:18:49 PM PDT by SoftwareEngineer
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To: SoftwareEngineer

he also needs to go because he’s spending 200 million $$’s a day in India on his upcoming trip


6 posted on 11/02/2010 6:20:56 PM PDT by MissDairyGoodnessVT (No more oil change for you and no more TIME Magazine covers =^..^=)
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To: SoftwareEngineer
so let us keep crackpot theories out of this.. please...

The crackpots here stick their heads in the dirt.

If Tom Tancredo wins in Colorado for Gov, he will ask for Obama's BC to see if he is eligible to be put on ballot in 2012.

If Nathan Deal wins the governorship in Georgia, the only Congressman who sent a letter to Obama asking him to prove his eligibility, he will likely ask Obama about his NBC status again to see if he is eligible be put on the 2012 presidential ballot.

7 posted on 11/02/2010 6:27:23 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: SoftwareEngineer

I shall endeavor to be patient with you as you seem to desire to be obtuse in this matter.

Note the construction of Article II clause 5 of the USC: “No person except a natural born Citzen, or a Citizen of the United States, AT THE TIME OF THE ADOPTION OF THIS CONSTITUTION, shall be eligible to the Office of President;....

The founders (Washington Adams Madison, Jefferson et al) were NOT NATURAL BORN CITIZENS but had been born as British subjects. They were indisputably CITIZENS of the US at the time of the constitution’s ratification. Without the “grandfather clause” however, they were INELIGIBLE to be president. BEING A CITIZEN WAS NOT GOOD ENOUGH. The constitution establishes a SPECIAL CLASS of citizen for tha POTUS which has only been applied to 43 citizens of the US IN IT’S ENTIRE HISTORY.

Obama too, ACCORDING TO HIS OWN ADMISSION was born a British subject as well owing to the British Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1948 which governed his father’s citizenship status. He had an actionable and legal claim to British citizenship whether he chose to invoke it or not. I ask you, in the name of logic and linear reasoning how it is possible for a NBC of the US to be born subject to the citizenship laws of another nation?

The whole purpose of the clause was to minimize the possibility of Foreign influence in the highest office in the land. In the words of John Jay:
“Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and reasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen.”

Unless Barack Obama is the 221 + year old immortal bloodsucking vampire that I suspect that he may in fact be, he is NOT old enough to be accorded the privilege of the grandfather clause of Article II, Section I clause 5 of the USC.

Barack Obama is the living and breathing embodiment of the REASON for Article II, Section 1 clause 5 of the constitution. He is the ultimate PERSONIFICATION of a usurpatious counterfeit Anti-American and Marxist lying demagogue. If we dont invoke this aspect of the USC against him than there is NO reason to EVER invoke it against ANYONE.


11 posted on 11/02/2010 6:53:51 PM PDT by DMZFrank
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To: SoftwareEngineer; bushpilot1

You have no qualifications to piss on this thread or anything bushpilot1 posts.


90 posted on 11/04/2010 1:40:42 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN?

Saying Vattel had "zero relevance on our constitution" is like saying Blackstone had zero relevance on Colonial America.

103 posted on 11/04/2010 4:15:36 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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