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To: edge919

I’m sorry to hear you failed English class and reading comprehension. The final sentence in the paragraph is the one I quoted that linked Smith’s birthright to his ancestors settling the country. Here’s a link to prove I’m right, as usual.

Link to Madison’s Document 6

Could you then please provide me with a quote from a Framer or a Founding Father stating that American citizen fathers are required in order for a child to be eligible for the Presidency/Vice Presidency as a Natural Born Citizen? Where does that appear in the Constitution or in US Law?

The first U.S. naturalization law links natural born citizenship with the status of the father, both in terms of citizenship and residence, in 1790.

“And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born Citizens: Provided, that the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States.”


Under the provisions of the now moot Naturalization Act of 1790, Barack Hussein Obama II was not born beyond the sea, he was born in the United States of America in the state of Hawai’i and Barack Hussein Obama’s father was resident in the United States from 1958 when he enrolled at the University of Hawai’i until 1965 when he returned to live in Kenya.

The 18th and 19th century laws on naturalization were superceded by the passage of the 14th Amendment in 1868 which established two and only classifications of citizens: born or naturalized.


136 posted on 11/05/2010 12:10:21 PM PDT by jamese777
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To: jamese777
Under the provisions of the now moot Naturalization Act of 1790, Barack Hussein Obama II was not born beyond the sea, he was born in the United States of America in the state of Hawai’i and Barack Hussein Obama’s father was resident in the United States from 1958 when he enrolled at the University of Hawai’i until 1965 when he returned to live in Kenya.

Again, you're reading comprehension and ability to think logically is failing you. 1) We don't know where Obama was born. 2) Place of birth wasn't the reason why I cited the Natuarlization Act of 1790. The point was to demonstrate that natural born citizenship and basic citizenship were fundamentally tied to the status of the father - something you've failed to refute, so I accept your concession on that point. Thanks. 3) The 14th amendment didn't redefine nor invalidate the original definition natural born citizenship, which was what Justices Waite and Gray both told us Minor and WKA, respectively. Sorry, james, but once again, 3 strikes and you're out. BTW, thanks for punting on the Madison argument too.

138 posted on 11/05/2010 12:15:59 PM PDT by edge919
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