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To: jamese777
Under the provisions of the now moot Naturalization Act of 1790, Barack Hussein Obama II was not born beyond the sea, he was born in the United States of America in the state of Hawai’i and Barack Hussein Obama’s father was resident in the United States from 1958 when he enrolled at the University of Hawai’i until 1965 when he returned to live in Kenya.

Again, you're reading comprehension and ability to think logically is failing you. 1) We don't know where Obama was born. 2) Place of birth wasn't the reason why I cited the Natuarlization Act of 1790. The point was to demonstrate that natural born citizenship and basic citizenship were fundamentally tied to the status of the father - something you've failed to refute, so I accept your concession on that point. Thanks. 3) The 14th amendment didn't redefine nor invalidate the original definition natural born citizenship, which was what Justices Waite and Gray both told us Minor and WKA, respectively. Sorry, james, but once again, 3 strikes and you're out. BTW, thanks for punting on the Madison argument too.

138 posted on 11/05/2010 12:15:59 PM PDT by edge919
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Again, you’re reading comprehension and ability to think logically is failing you. 1) We don’t know where Obama was born. 2) Place of birth wasn’t the reason why I cited the Natuarlization Act of 1790. The point was to demonstrate that natural born citizenship and basic citizenship were fundamentally tied to the status of the father - something you’ve failed to refute, so I accept your concession on that point. Thanks. 3) The 14th amendment didn’t redefine nor invalidate the original definition natural born citizenship, which was what Justices Waite and Gray both told us Minor and WKA, respectively. Sorry, james, but once again, 3 strikes and you’re out. BTW, thanks for punting on the Madison argument too.


You may not know where Obama was born but the state of Hawai’i says that he was born in that state at 7:24 pm on Friday, August 4, 1961. Even the outgoing Republican Governor of Hawai’i says that.

As you may have noticed, Obama doesn’t need to prove where he was born, those who oppose his eligibility have the burden of proof.

There’s no sense in repeating myself, I said and I mean that James Madison’s words are definitive for me: place of birth to determine allegiance is what holds in the United States and “therefore it is unnecessary to examine any other.”


“The Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution in the declaration that ‘all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States, and of the State wherein they reside,’ contemplates two sources of citizenship, AND ONLY TWO: birth and naturalization. Citizenship by naturalization can only be acquired by naturalization under the authority and in the forms of law. But citizenship by birth is established by the mere fact of birth under the circumstances defined in the Constitution. Every person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, becomes at once a citizen of the United States, and needs no naturalization. A person born out of the jurisdiction of the United States can only become a citizen by being naturalized, either by treaty, as in the case of the annexation of foreign territory, or by authority of Congress, exercised either by declaring certain classes of persons to be citizens, or by enabling foreigners individually to become citizens by proceedings in the judicial tribunals, as in the ordinary provisions of the naturalization acts.”—Supreme Court of the United States in the majority opinion in US v Wong Kim Ark (1898)

Thank you Mr. Madison!


139 posted on 11/05/2010 2:12:35 PM PDT by jamese777
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