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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The report called upon the Lakin defense to drop the search for a birth certificate (native-born) and focus on the bloodline of the father (natural-born) issues already known.

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I've been saying exactly this since the BC was brought up as an issue. The BC is nothing but a red herring and the real issue is staring everyone right in the face. Mr. Obama's father was in fact a British subject which by definition makes Mr. Obama other then a "natural born" citizen. All other issues (birth certificate, certificate of live birth, adoption by step father and move to Indonesia, passport data, social security numbers, draft registration, &c, &c) are moot.

Regards,
GtG

8 posted on 10/03/2010 9:07:38 PM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray
If the law is with you, argue the law. If the facts are with you, argue the facts. If neither the law nor the facts are with you, pound the table!

Regards,
GtG

10 posted on 10/03/2010 9:11:14 PM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray

I have always thought that the father’s citizenship was the way to go as to Obama’s eligibility. However, I also have believed that there is birth information that, if known, could be just as damaging. My disappointment is that the two features have never been joined to show a more compelling argument as to why in total, the eligibility issue was appropriate for full discovery. I realize one is based on known and admitted facts, while the other is based on a need for facts. Lakin will have to decide if his recourse is only one path. It seems the Obama people are trying very hard to muddy the situation by use of the Wong Kim Arc decision; but interesting is that one supporter of that tact has given reasons of the decision that go to the father’s citizenship.I also have a hunch that the smart operatives in this matter such as Rahm Immanual, Axalrod, and others are/will be leaving knowing the chase is getting hot and leaving the quenching to enablers such as Pelosi,et.al. plus Soros.


16 posted on 10/03/2010 9:55:49 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray

Except, that you have to prove who his real father actually was, which may open the door to access to his long form birth certificate.


22 posted on 10/04/2010 12:01:36 AM PDT by WILLIALAL
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray
I've been saying exactly this since the BC was brought up as an issue. The BC is nothing but a red herring and the real issue is staring everyone right in the face. Mr. Obama's father was in fact a British subject which by definition makes Mr. Obama other then a "natural born" citizen. All other issues (birth certificate, certificate of live birth, adoption by step father and move to Indonesia, passport data, social security numbers, draft registration, &c, &c) are moot.

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27 posted on 10/04/2010 5:06:30 AM PDT by The Comedian (I will not be a willing accomplice to my own enslavement.)
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray

Thank you, I have been saying the same thing for two years now.
He (Obama) has been hiding the important FACT in plain sight. Figures were too stupid and ignorant to see. You inherit your name, titles, lands and sovereign allegiance from your FATHER. Many other countries see it the same way, an example is germany.

Thanks again


39 posted on 10/04/2010 5:51:46 AM PDT by MIAMI-ARMANDO
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray

That is exactly what I think. The Birth Certificate is a smoke screen. It’s his Heritage which makes him ineligible.


44 posted on 10/04/2010 7:32:45 AM PDT by Danae (Analnathrach, orth' bhais's bethad, do che'l de'nmha.)
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray
All other issues (birth certificate, certificate of live birth, adoption by step father and move to Indonesia, passport data, social security numbers, draft registration, &c, &c) are moot.

Not entirely. If The Won was born outside the US, that too, would make him not a natural born citizen, and would be much less controversial than having the Supreme Court rule on the "foreign father", or "Natural Born" vs. "native born" issue. Even for most of Oh's staunchest supporters would not argue that a person born outside the US of a foreign citizen father, was a Natural Born citizen. Especially one that did not even qualify as a citizen at birth under the law as it existed at that time.

So it need not be either reason A or reason B, it can be both, but either is sufficient.

46 posted on 10/04/2010 7:39:05 AM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray
The BC is nothing but a red herring and the real issue is staring everyone right in the face. Mr. Obama's father was in fact a British subject which by definition makes Mr. Obama other then a "natural born" citizen. All other issues (birth certificate, certificate of live birth, adoption by step father and move to Indonesia, passport data, social security numbers, draft registration, &c, &c) are moot.

Except the most expedient way to prove O. Sr. is the legal birth father is by presenting the original BC. As it is now, we only have his word that Sr. is his father. Short of digging up Davis or Malcolm X or Stanley and doing a DNA test, we have to take Ann's and typical white granny's word on the BC. You are correct that the SSN, draft reg, etc. has nothing to do with this case, though I'd love to see him brought up on separate charges for those. However, adoption by Lolo, passport history, and possible citizenship changes might be needed if it turns out that Sr. isn't listed on the real BC.

52 posted on 10/04/2010 8:35:51 AM PDT by bgill (K Parliament- how could a young man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray
BC is nothing but a red herring...

Also, if he was born outside the US, Ann was too young to bestow US citizenship on him. Again, we have to go back to whomever the orginal BC states is the legal father and his citizenship. Every avenue eventually leads back to the vault copy.

55 posted on 10/04/2010 8:48:41 AM PDT by bgill (K Parliament- how could a young man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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