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To: Gandalf_The_Gray

I have always thought that the father’s citizenship was the way to go as to Obama’s eligibility. However, I also have believed that there is birth information that, if known, could be just as damaging. My disappointment is that the two features have never been joined to show a more compelling argument as to why in total, the eligibility issue was appropriate for full discovery. I realize one is based on known and admitted facts, while the other is based on a need for facts. Lakin will have to decide if his recourse is only one path. It seems the Obama people are trying very hard to muddy the situation by use of the Wong Kim Arc decision; but interesting is that one supporter of that tact has given reasons of the decision that go to the father’s citizenship.I also have a hunch that the smart operatives in this matter such as Rahm Immanual, Axalrod, and others are/will be leaving knowing the chase is getting hot and leaving the quenching to enablers such as Pelosi,et.al. plus Soros.


16 posted on 10/03/2010 9:55:49 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: noinfringers2

So, what if Barack Obama, Sr., was not his father? What if Obummer’s birth certificate shows that Frank Marshall was the father. Would that make Obummer a natural born citizen (were he, in fact, born in the USA)?

Just asking...
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20 posted on 10/03/2010 11:11:00 PM PDT by Viktor1959
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To: noinfringers2
You are on the right track, except that Wong Kim Ark as well as the 14th Amendment upon which it was decided deal only with citizens. Wong Kim does, however, quote Chief Justice Morrison Waite's recital of the definition repeated by a dozen other justices, from his decision in Minor v. Happersett.

"The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all ,children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners."
If the supreme court doesn't validate the common law definition - and common law definitions are used to define most terms of law used in the Constitution - they may have effectively amended the Constitution.

One of the better explanations of why the Obot misdirection claiming natural born subjects were equivalent to natural born citizens is that for the British there is no way for a natural born subject to become king or queen, while being a natural born citizen is the only path to the presidency of the United States. The British apply 'jus sanguinis' to select kings and queens - inheritance. So too do the Americans, except that the inheritance required to be come president is the inheritance of allegiance to our Constitution - citizenship

We have become a government of men and not of laws, but it is not to late to repair that. Every representative save Nathan Deal has avoided his or her constitutional oath to obey and defend it. That is a violation of our legal foundation. Perhaps legislators felt that the havoc Obama would bring would result in major gains for the Republican party? Perhaps so, but they have all still broken their sworn oaths to the Constitution.

Dr. Lakin has made a mess of his legal defense. That was obvious from the avoidance of the constitutional violation on Lakin's web site. Either he was deceived by his legal team or is himself a ploy to warn others in the military of the futility of obeying their sworn oaths to obey and protect the Constitution. The Kerchner/Apuzzo suit is the best formed, and has been submitted to the supreme court. We'll see if the court regards the ideas of the founders and framers the law, or if they, like Cas Sunstein, Larry Tribe, Elena Kagen (who saved Tribe's job at Harvard after he was caught plagiarizing), and Sotomayor, feel it is theirs to interpret or construct as will. It wouldn't be the first time, but may be leading us close the the last time the Constitution has meaning.

Without a constitution there is no agreement on civilian control of the military. The court might want to think over the ramifications of further weakening The Constitution. A well armed militia fighting to restore its Constitution could be a good deal messier than Acorn and union thugs attacking banking officials, burning churches, and disrupting free speech.

29 posted on 10/04/2010 5:16:11 AM PDT by Spaulding
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To: noinfringers2; justiceseeker93; 2ndDivisionVet; Howie66; unkus; freekitty; MamaDearest; ...

May the truth of this fraud slop onto Pelosi and Reid. Everyone involved in perpetrating this fraud upon the American people must be tried and prosecuted for their treason against their country. That means everyone in this Congress and this Regime that hid the truth from the American people.


30 posted on 10/04/2010 5:17:24 AM PDT by ExTexasRedhead (Take back our country on November 2, 2010. Let's Roll!!!)
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