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To: butterdezillion

You really think the entire mortgage/cds/liquidity crises of 2008 was caused by Soros? Evidence?

What exactly did Cheney stop? If I remember rightly, the financial industry DID go into crisis in 2008. Banks went bust (and still are) and we are still dealing with the effects of it now and will be for years to come.

Why has Cheney never mentioned that he was threatened and the details of the plot? The best antidote to that type of conspiracy is publicity.You seem to think that Cheney would rather the see the country that he has served and loved for decades undermined and overtaken rather than endure a financial crisis. If you’re going to malign a solid conservative leader like that then you’ll need to put together better supporting evidence than you have so far.


118 posted on 10/04/2010 4:20:04 AM PDT by Natufian (t)
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To: Natufian

You don’t seem to grasp what I am saying. I am wondering whether the precarious financial position that America was in - that the communists like Soros and everybody who supported the Cloward-Piven Plan (including Obama, who was the lawyer for 2 of their major planks in that plan) have been working on for years - has placed America in the position where somebody like Soros, especially in league with the Islamists and the kind of money they have, could make a run on the bank which would create a panic so large it would destroy the world economy.

Kanjorski said that within 24 hours the world economy would have been entirely destroyed if they had not shut down Wall Street that day. He spoke in terms of somebody doing this to us.

I’ve tried to ask around because I’m not an economic expert. I know nothing about it, so I’ve asked people who do. What I heard from the the people who responded was that a stable economy on solid ground is not really vulnerable to the fluctuations in the market so much, but if you’ve got a lot of people who are gambling way beyond their means that economy is ripe for the picking, which is what Soros has spent his lifetime doing in other countries. Finding already vulnerable countries, playing the market to make them even more vulnerable, and then taking them for a ride.

And America is definitely ripe for the picking because of FM/FM laundering worthless loans into the stock market and because of the national deficit. Basically the government is gambling our money into an incredibly precarious position. They’re spending beyond our means.

So we were already vulnerable, in large part because lawyers like Obama threatened banks if they didn’t offer risky loans to people who couldn’t afford them and the communists/democrats refused to stop FM/FM from laundering those bad loans into the stock market. The communists have planned on this for a long time in order to destroy capitalism, and Obama was the lawyer who carried out that plank of Cloward-Piven, in the few acts he ever did as a lawyer (another one of which was to push the Motor Voter Act which would allow the integrity of elections to be compromised which would ultimately allow democrats/communists to act boldly when elected because they wouldn’t have to fear the voters. Note the utter lawlessness of this past year in Congress, and the seeming contempt for the voters.)

So what I’ve been told is that when an economy is teetering so close to the edge like we are, it’s easy to go stand on one end and bounce - and send the whole thing over the cliff. If a person has the ability to move a lot of money fast or have the influence to impact financial regulation even in the smallest degree they can create a panic that an economy on a solid foundation would not be vulnerable to.

As I said before, that is what Soros has been doing his whole life - except that in this case his communist buddies have been working since the 1960’s at least - 50 years - to get America to this vulnerable point, to manufacture this crisis that would usher in communism in the USA and/or world. What I’m talking about here is nothing new. This has been in their playbook for the last 50 years. It should not surprise anybody.

Soros was convicted of doing this in France. A couple weeks ago, shortly after I mentioned this theory on my blog, Soros apparently decided that it was worth the price to get the European Court to actually take up his appeal of that conviction which had been sitting inactive for almost 4 years. For some reason he wants to eliminate the ability of anybody to point out that it is not speculation that Soros does this, since he’s been convicted of doing it.

Nor is it mere speculation that Soros wants the US to lose the “war on terror”. He has said that. He has said that he is afraid that America will win the “war on terror” because it would mean that America and capitalism are strong, and Soros (who also believes he is God) thinks America and capitalism are the greatest evils in this world. So Soros has said he’s rooting for the terrorists because they are a tool to destroy America and capitalism.

Obama’s campaign specifically disabled the credit card function which would have blocked campaign contributions from foreign places like Saudi Arabia, Libya, and Egypt - places with leaders who have said that Obama is a Muslim. According to the Egyptian ambassador, Obama told him privately to basically be patient while Obama takes care of domestic issues like healthcare and then Obama would get to the Islamic world agenda, because - as Obama said - he was and still is a Muslim who supports the Islamic agenda. The Islamic agenda that is universally accepted is worldwide sharia and the destruction of the USA and Israel.

If you look at Obama’s life, there is a convergence of the Islamists and the communists. Case in point - the close friendship between the Obama, Ayers, and Rashid Khalidi families in Chicago. Another case in point: Jeremiah Wright. Another case in point: Louis Farrakhan and the New Black Panther Party and Nation of Islam. Another case in point: the “education reformist” associated with Wright who was paid money by the Annanberg Challenge administered by Obama and Ayers - to train teachers to tell Black high-schoolers that America is the enemy, and that the Black culture is supreme. You can go down Obama’s life and nearly EVERY person he has associated with is either Islamist, communist, or both - and friendly with each other.

So Soros had the perfect candidate to unite the Two Towers - Sauron and Saruman - to defeat the West, dominated by America and capitalism. The history, goals, methods, and alliances of Obama and Soros match perfectly.

So what I am wondering is whether that electronic run on the bank that put all the leaders in a panic saying the apocalypse would be coming if we didn’t pass TARP, right at the time that McCain was surging in the polls after choosing Palin, was Soros’ way of showing the leaders like Bush, Cheney, the media heads that Obama’s lawyers threatened into silence over the eligibility issue and apparently persuaded that his election was inevitable, SCOTUS, etc that his was not a vain threat and that he could do the same thing any time his puppets (Obama and the democrats in Congress) needed a little boost in the polls or any time martial law would come in handy.

With Obama in office they could make the economy even MORE vulnerable by running up the deficit and stifling job growth and business investment through fears of regulations, taxation, and outright takeovers by the government. That would ensure that Soros and the Islamists would always have enough money to be able to tip the scale to panic - and would always have that very real threat to use to keep the leadership from both parties in line.

And more importantly, to keep the judiciary in line - because the whole thing depends on keeping Obama in power to continue to weaken this country economically until it falls under the weight - and to weaken the Constitution and infrastructure to the point that the people will not be able to fight back until the ultimate collapse when it’s too late. Obama’s job was to cut off the arms and legs of the nation and its people, and he has been doing that at an incredibly rapid pace.

Again - this is just taking the communists at their word. This is what they have said they would do for a very, very long time. They are patient, resolute, and dead serious. Just like the Islamists, who had the plans for 9-11 for 10 years before deciding the time was right to actually carry it out. And notice that the largest threat of 9-11 was not to the physical security of most Americans, but to the ECONOMY of the US. They went for the Trade Center - the economic symbol of this nation. They know that our vulnerability has never been militarily (although Obama is working to weaken that too). Our vulnerability has always been our economy, and they hit us right where it hurt.

So - after all that - what I’m saying about Cheney is that I wonder if somebody took him and Bush aside and pointed out that the entire world economy would be destroyed unless Cheney played along with their game. Soros had created a mini-panic in September of 2008 just to show them that his gun was loaded and then he stuck the gun against America’s head and told Bush, Cheney, etc that he would shoot if they made any move to stop the coup in progress.

Think closely about Hagmann’s claim that he has 6 or 7 affidavits corroborating the statement of a talk show host who said that the media heads threatened their people with the loss of job, reputation, and possibly health, life, and family if they reported on Obama’s eligibility. Obama’s lawyers met with the media heads and told them he would annihilate them via the FCC after the election if they reported on the eligibility issue. Think about that. Why didn’t those media heads just tell Obama’s lawyer to stuff it - that they would report the threats and Obama and his lawyers would be sitting in jail rather than in the White House telling the FCC to go after the media companies? Instead they - just like Bush - spoke in apocalyptic terms about the need to obey the marching orders.

The reason those media heads didn’t just report the crimes and get rid of Obama once and for all could be the same reason Cheney didn’t: because Soros had a gun in his hand that could kill the entire world economy. He had already shot once and could do it again any time he wanted.

IOW, I’m saying that Cheney may have had no other choice. Bush may have had no other choice. SCOTUS may have had no other choice. But none of them liked it, and they made as many faces at Soros behind his back as they could to try to let the rest of us know they were acting under duress.

If this was the scenario, then Cheney had balls of steel in order to actually deny Soros the ability to say that the coup had been done legally. Soros would tolerate it because he had control of both Congress and the courts so nothing would ever come of the illegality of it, but Cheney was at least able to force them to get their coup illegally, because he refused to ask the question required by law.


119 posted on 10/04/2010 5:51:01 AM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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