That's just because the FactCheck article (and accompanying photographs) isn't second-hand. Or undocumented. Or delayed. Or anonymous. Or hearsay.
But other than that, you're right...it's exactly the same thing.
I smell a double-standard from a mile away, LorenC, the anonymous poster.
I'm not anonymous. You're the one who has a snit when someone you've sent your last name to uses your last name.
I know ladysforest and I have no doubt that her source is reliable.
Gotcha. I should trust that the anonymous and unreachable "TsunamiGeno," who's vouched for by "ladysforest," who's in turn vouched for by "Nellie" is a reliable source. But that FactCheck isn't.
And I can see with my eyes that the image on P&E is a photo. TsunamiGeno did not get a photo of the record. The worker said he could not have “a copy”. Make of that what you will.
I make of it that "TsunamiGeno" supposedly made a trip to Hawaii and supposedly made a huge discovery, which he preserved precisely zero evidence of. And that "ladysforest" failed to report said huge discovery immediately, or even when she first wrote about "TsunamiGeno"s supposed trip way back in May, and only thought to mention the huge discovery another two months later as an afterthought. And that said huge discovery is directly contradicted by direct photographic evidence of someone who obviously DID make a documented trip to the HDOH, which in turn forces you to invent yet another conspiracy to claim that the HDOH has been altering records.
If everything is as you say, why is the HDOH refusing to release the birth index? Why are they specifically lying about not having my request for the computer-generated 1961 birth index, which was received by e-mail on July 29 and by snail-mail on Aug 4th?
Why are they doing this?
Probably because HDOH is, like FactCheck and Hillary Clinton and the judicial system and the entire Republican Party, involved in a massive bipartisan conspiracy to cover up the Dunham family's extensive 1961 fraud in obtaining fake birth documents for baby Barack because of Ann's secret and inexplicable trip to Kenya, plus covering up the Obama campaign's own fraudulent efforts in 2008 after a blogger made up a rumor that just happened to expose the whole shebang.
No wait...that's your explanation. My guess? Maybe it's because they're tired of dealing with people who actually believe the above nonsense.
I was aware of the whole process that happened with ladysforest at the time. I know she is telling the truth. What she said publicly is totally different than what she said publicly. If you think I’ve stated publicly everything I already know you’re nuts. There’s stuff you sit on until you’ve got all the pieces of the puzzle together.
What TsunamiGeno got was eyewitness observation, which is the foundational form of evidence for our judicial system. I wish he had gotten a pic, but he didn’t. He asked for a copy and they wouldn’t let him get any.
Factcheck claims eyewitness observation of a genuine COLB, but from the photos they took of what they claim to have seen, we see a combination of “date filed” and certificate number that the HDOH’s procedures (as stated by Okubo) renders impossible.
I’d rather have no pic at all than a pic of what is confirmed to be a forgery. And that forgery was mentioned by Obama’s attorney in the case before Judge Carter. So we’re talking perjury here.
So yes, TsunamiGeno’s account, supported by ladysforest, supported by Nellie is in every way more credible than the Factcheck photos of what the HDOH has already confirmed is a forged document.
If they’re tired of dealing with me, then just obey the law and be done with it. That’s the only way they’re going to stop me. Why won’t they do that?
Technically, it is hearsay. The photos haven't been entered in court. The photos haven't been validated. The photos HAVE been scrubbed of EXIF data that was inconsistent with the story that was posted. The document in the photos doesn't match the alleged document in the image originally scanned and distributed by Tommy Vietor. The issuing agency won't confirm the certificate number as belonging to Obama. Factlack doesn't have credentials for authenticating legal documents. There are a lot of problems with this alleged evidence.