For me it's that stupid owl meme wearing a wig...
Posted on 09/22/2010 11:52:14 AM PDT by butterdezillion
“Though the right to inspect includes the right to copy, the HDOH won’t allow the public to photocopy the index books.”
In this day and age of cell phone cameras, I cannot buy this excuse. I can imagine that HDOH wouldn’t help anyone copy it, or doesn’t provide a copier in that area. But if someone can see it, they can snap a pic.
If Hawaii is allowed to continue to cover up it’s own Citizenship fraud going back years, there are literally thousands of people who could do it unto us again.
If Hawaii is allowed to break the law with impunity, there would literally be nothing to stop it from happening again. And again. In fact there would be no legal reason for any state to document births in a legitimate fashion.
The rock in this pond leaves BIG ripples. Leaving it un-dealt with is not really an option.
Actually B, this is a common practice everywhere.
One reason is that people change jobs, or multiple people will work to respond to inquiries. It's usually to keep the address consistent more than to keep the identity secret.
Case in point, where I work parts inquiries go to “Parts@MyCompany”, Service requests go to: “Service@MyCompany”, Job inquiries go to: “HR@MyCompany”, etc.
If we get rid of Obama by voting him out, what is the HDOH going to do differently? What are the media and law enforcement systems going to do differently? What will they have learned, beyond that they can get away with anything they dang well please?
See, I think people read the “birthers” all wrong. People think this is a vendetta against Obama. It really has very little to do with Obama at all. It has everything to do with a system that is corrupt, that ties the hands of the citizenry who wish the law to be obeyed, and that mocks those who take the rule of law seriously.
It’s a lose-lose for everybody. If the media can get away with all these lies we may as well kiss an informed citizenry good-bye, and that is something this nation cannot survive.
As we’re invaded on our southern border by lawless gangs who pattern their methods after Al Qaeda to blow up cars and behead anybody who opposes them... if the political powers-that-be are able to totally neuter the enforcement of our laws, we can’t survive that.
This is really about the integrity of the infrastructure, which is what both communism and Islamism seek to undermine. If they can leave us without integrity in government, media, and law enforcement then the nation is putty in their hands.
That’s what this is about, and that’s why it is just as crucial that Fukino sit in jail when all this is over, as it is that Obama sit in jail. If there’s no penalty for perjury, forgery, misprision of felony, concealment, etc then those laws don’t exist. And that’s pretty much where we’re at as a nation right now.
That is what is creating a lot of the passion you see right now. The eligibility issue is not tangential; it is the first critical rung on a ladder of abuses of the law. And the people are sick of it.
I believe that we will have a new Congress in January. I believe we that will have a new Speaker of the House in January. No matter what may be the political makeup of the Senate, GOP control of the House means that Speaker Boehner will have the ability to initiate impeachment hearings in the House. Obama's lack of Constitutional qualifications for the office of POTUS can serve as a solid ground for impeachment. Impeachment hearings will permit the House to subpena and secure all of the regular documents.
It will all come down to Speaker Boehner - does his Constitutional oath to protect the Constitution mean anything to him or is he just a political hack?
That is one point to all of this.
You have just made a point that has not been made
by a couple of years worth of birther garbage.
You have caused me to look at the issue in a different way than I had previously done.
At least an aspect of it.
I’m still unable to get Orly Taitz and her lunacy out of my mind regarding this issue.
The two are inexorably linked I’m afraid.
For me it's that stupid owl meme wearing a wig...
It has been an effective diversion from the real issues.
Obama could do far worse than to hire Taitz to put a clown's face on the whole issue.
Who is to say he didn’t?
TsunamiGeno said (found at http://myveryownpointofview.wordpress.com/2010/07/27/ya-cant-always-get-what-ya-want/ ):
“When finished with the index, I asked Jesse if I could get any supporting documentation including copies or a certified copy on the name I did find. He said, “No, is not available to the general public.”
At P&E, the researcher’s language wasn’t real clear, but she said, “I took the indexes to the counter where you fill out record request forms to examine them and make digital images.”
That makes it sound like you request the records so you can examine and make digital images of them, but when you read the entire context it is clear that there was a counter that she went to so she could make digital images.
Later she said, “I didn’t ask for a copy of an index page, since I had made my own images”
I could check again, but I’m almost positive that the digital images that she went to the counter to make were digital photos with her camera. Look at the image. You can see the counter that the document was sitting on. That was a photograph.
She also mentioned that she was prepared to read them the riot act if she had asked for a copy and they had refused, but she didn’t ask for a copy. TsunamiGeno did, and was told no.
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I guess that makes it OK for them to ignore my request to not address me by my last name too then, huh?
OK, whoever you are, come and get me. I was stupid enough to trust a government agency’s claim that a person could use an alias and that their contact information would not be revealed. I guess I’m the sucker.
A camera is how we got the images we’ve got. TsunamiGeno was not able to get a photo and they would not let him have a copy.
Chalk it up to a learning experience.
“we...”?
Something you need to know about Orly. She’s had people doing psy-ops on her for a long time. BVW mentioned two techniques (dang, I can’t remember the terminology) which are used to demoralize and send people over the deep end. I can relate to what she has been through.
Throw together threats, denial of service attacks, viruses on her site (which is why I won’t even look on her stuff), tampering with her husband’s car, sleep deprivation, financial worries, constant lying on the part of the people she’s trying to expose (the two different techniques that BVW named), and the unwillingness of anybody to take anything seriously .... and you are going to end up with somebody who is passionate and sometimes incoherent. Some of these techniques are used to try to get terrorists to crack.
I don’t know about her competence level, because to be honest, I’m incompetent when it comes to legal stuff. lol. (They say it takes one to know one but I don’t even know enough to know when somebody else doesn’t know what they’re doing on courtroom procedures. lol) So you and others may well have a valid concern there.
But I do know that psy-ops are being used. That’s why Obama hires people to go on forums and act like they’re somebody they’re not. That’s why there are denial of service attacks, viruses, etc. That’s why some of my e-mail gets delivered and some doesn’t. It’s why I get threats. That’s what Alinsky is: psy-ops.
And it all sort of underlines the issue I was talking about before. When you’ve got people who believe they can get away with anything, this is the stuff you get. You get innocent people refusing to buck the system because they are afraid of retaliation.
I asked my sister one time if she would send in a request to the HDOH because I knew if it had my name on it the HDOH would suspect it was about Obama and somehow botch up the request. She said no, because she had just had her Facebook hacked and was keenly aware that there are people with power who can do bad stuff to people who make any waves that they don’t like.
My husband has been telling me the same thing. He says, “If you go stirring up the hornet’s nest, you’ll get what you’re asking for. They can do anything they want to your computer or to you. If you’re willing to take that risk, go ahead but the kids and I will miss you.”
It’s terrorism. And it’s why I am more resolved than I’ve ever been, that if I consider myself a good person but choose to ignore it when they go after the handicapped because I wasn’t handicapped, or the Jews because I’m not a Jew.... then evil will triumph because I cared more about my own personal comfort than about securing a safe, lawful world for my kids.
So I realize I am obsessed. I hope I’m not loony. lol. But if being obsessed is the way that I can offer a future to my kids, then it’s a labor of love and I will gladly take whatever ridicule comes my way.
I don’t expect you to like or respect Orly. But you’ve been more than fair in hearing me out (even with my long posts. lol. Sorry about that) so I expect that you’ll probably at least consider that Orly may be a little cracked because people have been working hard to crack her. That’s what we’re up against.
Thanks for hearing me out (assuming I haven’t put you to sleep yet. lol)
That’s why they black out the name of the worker who answered UIPA requests?
I see what you’re saying, but there’s also stuff like the folks who talk on the phone being unwilling to say anything if they have to give their name. Buckeye Texan noticed that. There’s definitely a desire to remain anonymous. Okubo herself went anonymous sometime in December, IIRC.
Society in general.
I’ll chalk it up to a learning experience, but you might need to help me come up with a better “cheer-me-up” for my husband about now. lol
Fair enough..
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