Posted on 09/21/2010 8:59:08 AM PDT by wintertime
Mr. Limbaugh,
You have FAILED to defend the Constitution in the important matter of Obama's very questionable natural born status! On those rare occasions that you have mentioned the topic ( less than 5 total minutes) you have treated it like a joke. I am mystified that you have done this.
The only consequence, Mr. Limbaugh, for directing attention to Obama's eligibility as a natural born citizen would have been a little ridicule from the mainstream Marxist media. If you fail to defend the Constitution in time of relative peace and security, only a FOOL would expect you to defend the Constitution in the face of real tyranny, tanks in the streets, and cattle cars filled to the brim? Only a fool would expect you to do what is right and brave.
Personally, I will never fully trust you and your opinions again. Some things are deal breakers. That you have failed to cover the important question of having a constitutionally eligible president is a deal breaker for me.
By the way, LTC Lakin is facing court martial for having dared Obama to prove his natural born citizenship. LTC Lakin is brave and honorable man. Hopefully, you, Mr. Limbaugh, you will have one thousandth of the courage of this military officer, and you will do what is right. You will give LTC Lakin the generous time on your program that his legal case deserves.
Mr. Limbaugh, that little itty bitty phrase in the Constitution about having a natural born citizen for a president is **not** a JOKE!
Respectfully,
Wintertime
“.....the ruling will be that a natural born citizen is one who was born a citizen.”
Time will tell if you are correct, as well as the composition of SCOTUS at the time it’s adjudicated.
re: Woodrow Wilson - and what a mess that turned out to be - again probably unncecesarily.
The argument goes like this: You are wrong because at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, De Vattel's "Law of Nations" specifically states that in the definition of "natural born citizen" means that both parents of the naturally born citizen needed to be citizens themselves. From what I understand The Supreme Court has not ruled on this definitively one way or the other.
The judges who decided Kim Wong Ark went with English precedent rather than Vattel when they ruled that Kim, born a citizen of the USA to two non-citizen parents, was “natural born”.
How specific was Vattel, and what is the French equivalent of “natural born citizen”?
What are you calling this hitherto unmentioned type of citizenship that is neither natural born or naturalized?
When the Democrats were “Birthers,” when the NTY, WaPo, HoffPo, Cleveland Plain Dealer,..., understood with legal and historical clarity why McCain was ineligible, natural born citizenship was well understood, and well communicated. On Free Repbulic it appears that a minority of commentators understand our history and our Constitution. While Limbaugh would be wonderful as a teacher, the forces behind Obama are much bigger than Limbaugh. This is about trillions of dollars and the devaluation of The Constitution.
The suggestion among comments that “the people” will decide at the ballot box reflects a progressive sentiment and lack of understanding of our foundations, foundations embodied in John Marshall's “...a government of laws and not men.”
When so many are persuaded that presidential eligibility rests upon locating a reputed birth certificate, Limbaugh would be left fielding frustrated questions from people asking questions which will probably never be answered, because the concealment was probably designed to distract from the serious questions about the meaning of the qualifications provisions in the Constitution. The progressives really believe most of us aren't smart enough, or don't have the analytic abilities to interpret our framer's words.
The left knew the courts likely hide behind standing. From Adam Liptak in the NYT 2008: Daniel P. Tokaji, an election law expert at Ohio State University, agreed. “It is awfully unlikely that a federal court would say that an individual voter has standing,” he said. “It is questionable whether anyone would have standing to raise that claim. You’d have to think a federal court would look for every possible way to avoid deciding the issue.”
If Limbaugh or Levin (who can't afford to take the risk) or Hannity were to entertain eligibility questions, he would be deluged with some planted, and some well-meaning, questions about Obama’s legitimacy, his mother's travel, etc. which all preclude analytic discussion. There are few in government who don't know Obama fails Article II. All senators signed Sen Res 511 in Apr 2008 in which Michael Chertoff said unequivocally the a natural born citizen was born of two citizen parents, and Leahy agreed, and every senator signed his or her assent. With Murkowski and Hatch (who initiated an Article II amendment in 2003) and Collins and ... is there any doubt that there are more important forces than citizen education?
Learn and communicate the truth with confidence and “pundits,” who are puny compared the Arab financiers who funded Obama’s education and own much of Fox, Apple, Cisco, HP, Intel,... will speak up. For now, the left played upon the ignorance which they helped to nurture; Obama told us from before he was inaugurated that he was “A native born citizen of the U.S.” He has not said he was a natural born citizen. Other’s may have. We didn't understand what that meant. Obama's law professor, Larry Tribe, whose plagiarism was protected by Elena Kagan, understood the obscurity of Article II, and assisted in the cover-up of McCain's ineligibility, which was used to provide cover for Obama's ineligibility.
We can only guess at the master plan. Mine is that even if he doesn't survive for four years, our real unemployment will probably exceed twenty percent before he is finished. The addition twenty million voters added by amnesty, the millions and millions of additional union voters all working for the government, will be sufficient to weaken what remains of “a government of laws” that representative republicanism will be only an empty slogan.
Limbaugh should stay clear until more understand”
The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.
Understand Chief Justice Morrison Waite's definition above. See if you can find the other five chief justices, or dozen justices who affirmed the definition above. Find the last case where "Minor" was cited (hint - 20th century). Some day, if free speech is still protected, someone will reveal who Obama really is. It is a sad testiment to our "free press" that, as Charlie Rose said, "We don't really know who Barack Obama is." We don't, but we have a Constitution which can still protect us if enough of us learn what it says.
This is patently untrue if you read up on the Constitutional convention and their discussions upon the subjects and their references to De Vattel's "Law of Nations".
BO senior did not have a permanent domicile and residence and was not carrying on business - he was here on a student visa.Also, he was not intending to become a resident of the United States.
The Law of Nations also says: As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.
So with regards to Woodrow Wilson - from www.peoplepassions.org:
WOODROW WILSON Born December 28, 1856 - the 28th President, born in Staunton, Virginia. Wilson’s mother was from Carlisle, England. His father was a US citizen from Ohio. Wilson’s mother gained US citizenship when she married his father according to a congressional Act of February 1855, which stated, “any woman who might lawfully be naturalized under existing laws, married, or shall be married to a citizen of the United States, shall be deemed and taken to be a citizen.” [Act of February 10, 1855, 10 Stat. 604, section 2] This was called derivative citizenship. This act was enacted in 1855. Woodrow Wilson was born in December 1856. He was born in the US, both parents were US citizens - natural born citizen.
The judges who decided Kim Wong Ark went with English precedent, not Vattel when they ruled that he, born a US citizen to two non-citizen parents, was “natural born”.
Ah! The “Nut and Slut” attack. How liberal/Marxist of you!
So?....Of the thousands of e-mails Rush Limbaugh has received regarding Obama’s eligibility, why would my e-mail noticed?
The judges who decided Wong Kim Ark used Vattel's definition of natural born citizen (by citing Minor v. Happersett). Since the plaintiff did not fit that definition, they had to used English common law to reinforce their interpretation of the 14th amendment as applying to people who were not clearly subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. Under English common law, the sovereign declared anyone born within his domains to be 'natural-born subjects,' however this was an act of naturalization. Prior to the 14th amendment, the United States did not have such an act in place. Justice Gray decided that since Wong Kim Ark's parents had a permanent domicil and were permanent residents in the U.S., their child was subject to the United States and was therefore a 'citizen of the United States.' It did not declare the plaintiff nor anyone else to be natural born citizens.
There fixed that!
I absolutely agree!
Way before the Constitutional Convention, in fact the first founding or our Nation: I am much obliged by the kind present you have made us of your edition of Vattel. It came to us in good season, when the circumstances of a rising state make it necessary frequently to consult the Law of Nations. Accordingly, that copy which I kept has been continually in the hands of the members of our congress, now sitting, who are much pleased with your notes and preface, and have entertained a high and just esteem for their author.”
- December 9th of 1775, Franklin wrote to Vattel’s editor, C.G.F. Dumas, Benjamin Franklin
All these quotes and evidence and more are located at this link regarding Vattel's vs. Blackstone's (English Common Law) influence on the Founders http://www.birthers.org/USC/Vattel.html
If Obama is not a natural born citizen and had be rightfully disqualified, we wouldn't be having these issues with the Justice Department.
“There are few in government who don’t know Obama fails Article II. All senators signed Sen Res 511 in Apr 2008 in which Michael Chertoff said unequivocally the a natural born citizen was born of two citizen parents, and Leahy agreed, and every senator signed his or her assent. “
Excellent post Spaulding....lest I be noted as a conspiracy theorist I will nevertheless note that I too think there are huge forces at work about which we know little.
Why do you suppose that all 100 senators signed the resolution you mentioned and then did nothing to vet BHO?
Because they are lazy and probably didn't even read the bill.
Where's the conspiracy?
Fact: It is a simple matter to prove one’s natural born citizenship.
Fact: A real, natural born, American president would be **HONORED** to promptly prove with the best evidence that he was a natural born citizen. A REAL natural born, American president would never court martial a decorated military officer over such a trivial matter.
Fact: Obama has gone to considerable expense ( private and tax-paid) to avoid proving his natural born citizenship.
Fact: Rational Americans ( 6 out of 10) are being very reasonable to question Obama’s eligibility.
I have been a member of Free Republic since July, 2005. I invite you to review my posting record.
Very interesting take on the intent. In my case as I understand your take, I would be eligible for becoming President by being born in the USA even though both parents were immigrants and not naturalized citizens of the USA. I have thought that ‘ natural born ‘ entailed requirements of place and parentage.
The accusation was that it came up during a Keyes/Obama debate but even Keyes and his campaign manager denied it ever happened.
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It wasn’t DURING the debate. It was after the debate, there was a video, the video was scrubbed from You Tube but it still exists.
No need to review. I’ve read several of your stupid posts over the years. Your longevity doesn’t necessarily mean you aren’t a troll. There are lots of subversives on the forum.
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