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Krauthammer: Self-Indulgence
Cliffs of Insanity ^ | Alvie D. Zane

Posted on 09/16/2010 10:02:30 PM PDT by Neil E. Wright

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Krauthammer: Self-Indulgence


Charles Krauthammer has a few thoughts about those endorsing Christine O'Donnell in Delaware.  Link here.  He's going to get both barrels from me on the other side. 

Link to youtube here
Krauthammer: The Palin endorsement, I think, is disruptive and capricious.  Bill Buckley had a rule that he always supported the most conservative candidate who was electable, otherwise the vote is simply self-indulgence.


Baier: Now Jim DeMint, from South Carolina, also endorsed Christine O'Donnell.

Krauthammer: equally capricious and irresponsible. I'm not sexist on this. It's a big mistake. …


Dear Charles:

I saw the video, heard your remarks.

Now you hear this:

No more compromise.  No more equivocation.  No more dilution.  No more weaseling.  No more pro-gun control.  No more pro-abortion.  No more Olympia Snowes.  No more Arlen Sphincters.  No more Susan Collinses.  No more Larry "wide stance" Craigs.  No more Duke Cunninghams.  No more Bushes.  No more McCains.  No more Viagra Conservatives who need "help" to stay true to principle.  No more empty holsters.  No more negotiation.  No more retreat.  Not one step back!


You show me a "conservative" who can't vote down on Elena Kagan and I'll show you self-indulgence.

You show me a "conservative" who can't vote down on Amnesty and I'll show you self-indulgence. 

You show me a "conservative" who proposes Campaign Finance Reform and I'll show you self-indulgence.

You show me a "conservative" who supports Cap and Trade and I'll show you self-indulgence.

You show me a "conservative" who talks principles and votes pragmatism and I'll show you self-indulgence.

Following your logic, it's clear why the GOP nominated Dede Scazzofazzo for NY-23.  How did she do in that race anyway?  It's clear why the entire GOP apparatus was mobilized time and again through the last few decades to support Benedict Arlen in his primary challenges in Pennsylvania.  And it's also clear why the GOP has been led by Viagra conservatives in purple pimpstriped suits.  They are only interested in connecting to pocketbooks and not people-and certainly not principle.


In case no one told you this Charles, the age of Bill Buckley is over.  We're dealing with people who make clear with their every act that they intend to destroy America.  Presumably the British should also have voted for Chamberlain over Churchill.  I mean they were both from the same party and Chamberlain having been elected as Prime Minister was clearly electable while Churchill had been in a political exile.  Oh, and clearly Buckley's "wisdom" must have rubbed off on his son Christopher who endorsed Obama in the last Presidential election.

Pray tell, what is your stance on the self-indulgence of people like Charlie Crist who-beaten in a primary race then reneges on his pledge to remain in the GOP and instead run for US Senate as an independent-thus splitting the vote?  What about Lisa Murkowski who flirted with doing likewise to retain her birthright to the US Senate seat in Alaska?  Or how about the self-indulgence of the aforementioned Benedict Arlen?  (I'm still laughing about that one.) 


Let's take a brief diversion to Middle Earth for a comparison and contrast of leaders:
Denethor is the steward of Gondor charged only with keeping the kingdom until the king rerturns.  But he has looked too many times into the palantir (seeing stones) and seen precisely what the eye of Sauron has wanted him to see.  For this reason, Denethor is defeatist in his attitude and though he sees doom coming his way, he does little to prepare for it.  Denethor's end is a direct result of this defeatist end. 

Theoden, king of Rohan is under the spell of Saruman and is "counseled" by Grima Wormtongue.  Theoden is my favorite character in Lord of The Rings. Maybe it's the change that Theoden goes through.  From a compromised, controlled leader in the palm of the enemy, he regains his strength, regains his purpose, and regains his honor.  You see iron will of Theoden come through in that he will fulfill his oath, defend his people, and regain his honor at any cost.  In the movie especially, you get the sense that Theoden knows what it will cost.  One of his captains says to him, "We do not have the strength to defeat the armies of Mordor." "No", he agrees. Then he utters perhaps my favorite line in the entire 4,508,151,225 pages of The Lord Of The Rings.  "But we shall meet them in battle nonetheless." 


Denethors like Krauthammer are overcome with a defeatist attitude that victory isn't possible so we'd better settle for tactical retreats and peace in our time.  It is people like this that sacrifice great for the sake of good.  Oh, and just for disclosure Charles, exactly what did you see when you looked into the palantir?  Seriously, what did you and HusseinO talk about in your January 2009 dinner with him and other like-minded, empty holstered, Viagra conservative pundits?  Or did you think we'd forgive and forget that? 


Theodens like Christie O'Donnell are willing to risk defeat in pursuit of victory.  I believe that the surge of the Tea Parties in our day is similar to the last charge of the Rohirrim at the armies of Mordor assailing Minas Tirith.  If the charge fails, then we're all doomed. 

Deneth-sorry, Charles, what you are saying is that while you blue-blooded RINOS expect people to swallow their principles (again) to vote for your pragmatism in September, you will take your pragmatism and go home before you'll vote for their principles in November (or any other time for that matter).  Well here's what I say to that:


Pretty please.  I dare you wussies to do it.  Please show us your true colors so that we would know your deeds and could know that you either for us or against us.  I wish you bastards would show us whether you are hot or cold. 


In case no one told you this Charles, had the GOP upheld their oath and did their jobs in 2001 when they controlled the White House, Senate, and House of Representatives, then we wouldn't be in this f***ing mess now. You coddle them for failing to lead and condescend to those who would have them get out of the way so that real leaders might replace them.  You sir have earned a trip to the cone of shame.



I'm Alvie D. Zane and I approved this message.


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My name is Neil E. Wright, and I approve Alvie's message.

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1 posted on 09/16/2010 10:02:31 PM PDT by Neil E. Wright
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2 posted on 09/16/2010 10:08:35 PM PDT by Neil E. Wright (An OATH is FOREVER OathKeeper III We are EVERYWHERE)
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To: Neil E. Wright

I can’t believe how childish you all are. Technically, he is correct..It doesn’t matter how many conservative people run IF WE DON’T WIN. We took a sure thing and we put it in a position we will probably lose. All Krauthammer is doing is pointing out the obvious...Don’t shoot the messenger. As much as I hope she wins...my gut is telling me we just gave up any chance of getting the Senate back. And please don’t tell me it doesn’t matter if it has a few RINO’s...it does and you’re being very disingenuous to say it doesn’t.


3 posted on 09/16/2010 10:20:01 PM PDT by Hildy
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To: Neil E. Wright
In case no one told you this Charles, the age of Bill Buckley is over.

Agreed. The days of urbane disquisitions over nuances are long gone. "Firing Line" was a civil and congenial Kabuki dance which was choreographed to fit Bill Buckley's verbal facility but seldom if ever yielded anything substantive.

And, I remember the day when murderer Bobby Seale ate Buckley's lunch live and on the air--urbanity has its limits when it meets a polished sociopath.

So too do the pomposities of Krauthammer.

4 posted on 09/16/2010 10:21:05 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Neil E. Wright; Fishtalk; MarkLevinFan; DelaWhere; Delacon; exit82; outofstyle; STARWISE; ...
Castle, “the certain winner” had years to challenge his pal Biden for the very same seat, but instead he sat comfortably in the House, as the lone US Representative from Delaware.

Christine O'Donnell was good enough for the Delaware GOP to run against Biden in ‘08, so all the hand-wringing and smears that have come her way during this primary ring false and inflammatory.

William Roth was the last Republican from Delaware to sit in the US Senate and he was defeated in 2000, by Carper.

Now, all of a sudden in 2010, Biden’s seat is of utmost importance.

Christine O'Donnell can win this seat, and it would be most helpful if the talking heads would sit down, shut-up and get out of the way since they're unable to comprehend that Mike Castle could have run for the US Senate years ago.

I might add, that I have written to New Jersey Governor Chris Christie asking him to endorse her, given that Mike Castle and his team are bitter, sore losers, too petulant and childish to even “act” like gentlemen.

Given that Governor Christie endorsed Mike Castle, perhaps if he endorses Christine O'Donnell, a lot of the nonsense will be put to rest.

5 posted on 09/16/2010 10:27:39 PM PDT by onyx (If you support Sarah and want on her Ping List, let me know!)
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To: Neil E. Wright

“Sit Down, Chuck....”


6 posted on 09/16/2010 10:31:01 PM PDT by Beaten Valve
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To: Hildy
No more compromise. No more equivocation. No more dilution. No more weaseling. No more pro-gun control. No more pro-abortion. No more Olympia Snowes. No more Arlen Sphincters. No more Susan Collinses. No more Larry "wide stance" Craigs. No more Duke Cunninghams. No more Bushes. No more McCains. No more Viagra Conservatives who need "help" to stay true to principle. No more empty holsters. No more negotiation. No more retreat. Not one step back!

Sorry Hildy, the time for "compromise" is gone! This is a WAR for the freedoms that generations before us bought with their very lives. When you "compromise" with EVIL, the EVIL wins, everytime!

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7 posted on 09/16/2010 10:31:01 PM PDT by Neil E. Wright (An OATH is FOREVER OathKeeper III We are EVERYWHERE)
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To: Hildy
I can’t believe how childish you all are. Technically, he is correct..It doesn’t matter how many conservative people run IF WE DON’T WIN.

I take a different view and have been for years regarding the GOP. A few more conservative candidate victories and the party establishment will have to take the base seriously.

Chess is played more than one move ahead at a time. These recent conservative victories are the first move. It will be up to the conservative movement to make sure the rest of their moves are as effective and keep up the game.

What some call "winning" has been nothing more than the GOP establishment looking a whole lot like Democrats. The mantra of "you are going to cost the party the election" does not wash with me.

8 posted on 09/16/2010 10:31:13 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom
What some call "winning" has been nothing more than the GOP establishment looking a whole lot like Democrats. The mantra of "you are going to cost the party the election" does not wash with me.

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9 posted on 09/16/2010 10:34:06 PM PDT by gipper81 (markets rule, politicians drule)
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To: Hildy

Here’s the problem with your argument, if we have liberal Republicans instead of Marxist Democrats all we’re doing is forestalling the inevitable. If we don’t run Conservatives we’ll never have Conservatives in government no matter what their party. It’s their philosophy and character that counts, not their party affiliation.


10 posted on 09/16/2010 10:34:46 PM PDT by JMS
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To: gunsequalfreedom

And all that thinking has gotten us where we are. Well..we’re about to see how much change people really want, won’t we? If we lose...it’s the end...


11 posted on 09/16/2010 10:35:03 PM PDT by Hildy
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To: Hildy

I agree with you about the need to win BUT, the voters have spoken and it does no good for Rove, Krauthammer, Bill O’Reilly to come out and keep attacking after the primary is over - Do they thnk that O’Donnell will quit the race because of their attacks?
And Krauthammer calling Palin & DeMint irresponsible with their endorsements - what good can come of that ?
Send your complaints to the 53.6% of the Republican primary voters in Delaware.


12 posted on 09/16/2010 10:35:27 PM PDT by PMAS
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To: Neil E. Wright

i’m with you 100%!

I’ve never voted for anyone because they could win and never will, it’s voting for your own destruction!

Krauthammer is a self absorbed eastern liberal establishment jerk!


13 posted on 09/16/2010 10:38:56 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: Hildy

“If we lose...it’s the end...”

If we win with your people the end will come a few months later!


14 posted on 09/16/2010 10:40:39 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: Hildy

There is really no doubt in my mind that she will win. The game has changed and the establishment hasn’t figured it out yet. We will see who ends up looking childish in the end.


15 posted on 09/16/2010 10:40:44 PM PDT by tatown (Obama is Kenyan for "I make love to a woman that looks like Patrick Ewing")
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To: PMAS
Hey, I agree. At the very least they should have let her have her night...they started attacking immediately. Last night Rove sounded like he was reading Democrat talking points. Was Rove working for Castle? I think these operatives are working every side of the rope...

But Krauthammer was right when he said that Palin should go and help her get elected now...she's going to need a lot of help, but it's a strange, strange year...an exciting time to be involved in politics for sure.

16 posted on 09/16/2010 10:42:55 PM PDT by Hildy
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To: Hildy
So Charles and his DC elite buddies like Rove and Kristol peddle a well coordinated non stop vile personal smears AGAINST a DC outsider and then complain the victim of their vicious attacks is damaged goods and that's okay ??
17 posted on 09/16/2010 10:46:06 PM PDT by ncalburt (e)
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To: dalereed

First off, Dale..they are not MY PEOPLE...stop being so snarky. My point is that Krauthammer was doing his job and it does nobody any good to shoot the messenger. It’s never better to have Dems in charge and if the last two years haven’t taught you that, then you’re either blind or dumb.


18 posted on 09/16/2010 10:47:02 PM PDT by Hildy
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To: dalereed

You mean Walter Mondale’s former speech writer is a mean spirited fraud ?


19 posted on 09/16/2010 10:47:25 PM PDT by ncalburt (e)
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To: Hildy

I’m sure Palin will go out and help - what we need from people like Krauthammer and Rover is to STFU and stop aiding and abetting the enemy. Kraut says that he hopes the Republicans win, he can go after Coons and the Dems rather than going after O’Donnell. He sat there sniffing and looking down his nose at everyone who didn’t agree with him on BOR’s show. Really, it’s time to lead, follow or get out of the way and he needs to at the very least get out of the way.


20 posted on 09/16/2010 10:48:35 PM PDT by JMS
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