[dangus]

Uh. wow. Talk about not understanding. Lincoln was asserting that should the union not be preserved, the divided country could not survive... the same argument made by the founding fathers when they chose the Gadsden (”teaparty”) flag: United We Stand, Divided We Fall.

[Idabilly]

Ping

[cvq3842]

For what it’s worth, attempting to leave the Union when a national election doesn’t go the way you want doesn’t sound like a core democratic principle to many.

Thanks for responses, flames, etc. in advance.

(I am breaking my cardinal rule on FR: never debate the Civil War, or evolution.)

[central_va]

Lincoln was asserting that should the union not be preserved, the divided country could not survive.

The Civil War proved one thing, a group of states can break off form their own National legislature, start an Army from scratch and immediacy fight a huge war. They can do this in less than 4 months.

[Idabilly]

Not true..... “Consent of the governed,” anyone ?

[Neoliberalnot]

Uh. wow. Talk about not understanding. Lincoln was asserting that should the union not be preserved, the divided country could not survive... the same argument made by the founding fathers when they chose the Gadsden (”teaparty”) flag: United We Stand, Divided We Fall.””

This was when we faced a common enemy, the British Empire.

[DwFry]

...or what the British said when telling the Colonies they couldn’t leave to govern themselves.

[Tzfat]

Our founders did not force a union. Lincoln was a tyrant, and the forerunner of men like Hussein.

[Arthur McGowan]

The President of the United States does not take an oath to help the "country" to "survive." He takes an oath to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution. Any state has the right to secede. EVERY state had the DUTY to secede the moment Roe v. Wade was handed up, and the President failed to guarantee that the Executive Branch would refuse to enforce it against the states.

[Arthur McGowan]

The President of the United States does not take an oath to help the "country" to "survive." He takes an oath to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution. Any state has the right to secede. EVERY state had the DUTY to secede the moment Roe v. Wade was handed up, and the President failed to guarantee that the Executive Branch would refuse to enforce it against the states.