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To: southernsunshine
Which state has authority to deny secession?

Each of the original states voluntarily surrendered its authority to secede when it ratified the Articles of Confederation, and joined the Union. States formed under the Northwest Ordinance were created by the Federal government, and had authority to secede only under terms set by the Federal government. Which two cases cover all of the states, except for Texas and Vermont.

Not that it matters. The South didn't secede, it rebelled. Had it just seceded, there would have been no war.

145 posted on 09/07/2010 9:22:49 PM PDT by jdege
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To: jdege

The Confederate democrats acted as outlaws in their views of disavowing the Union. Never did they respect the Union or show any reverence to the ‘rule of law’.

We could easily see that still here today the way there defenders try to defend the right of secession as if Universal.

It is no different today with the unHoly alliance between libertarians and liberals. Robert KKK Byrd was considered a Constitutional sholar. Dennis UFO Kucinich carries around a copy of the Constitution as well and tries to claim the same. And libertarians try to claim to be Constitutionalists as well yet they side with Code Pink types on moral issues and other issues all of the time.

The Code Pink type leftist always think it there right to be against the Union. Like traitors they see it as there right to disavow themselves from the President and actively work to undermine the Union. So do the libertarians and confederate democrats as we see in the arguments of this thread.

It always seems as if there is a small faction of those who try to claim to be Constitutionalists who actually align with the left-wing progressives and Marxists and Code Pink types. Ron Paul is a perfect example as well.

These confederate democrat types are a serious threat to conservatism being that they always pretend to be right-wing and to care about freedom. They do not. They seek to undermine freedom and not uphold it.

Lincoln was a great President and a great man.


148 posted on 09/07/2010 9:37:56 PM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: jdege

“Each of the original states voluntarily surrendered its authority to secede when it ratified the Articles of Confederation, and joined the Union. States formed under the Northwest Ordinance were created by the Federal government, and had authority to secede only under terms set by the Federal government. Which two cases cover all of the states, except for Texas and Vermont.”

How can the States voluntarily surrender their “authority to secede” when that authority was prohibited them by the British Empire who was still in 1777(the time of the verticals) waging war upon them to enforce their laws again secession?

Thats right according to the British secession from the British empire was illegal.

The 13 American Colonies all “ceded” that right in their original colonial compacts. I’m not even going to bother looking up all 13 compacts cause clearly according to you the same compact doesn’t need to specify such a secession.


166 posted on 09/07/2010 11:57:25 PM PDT by Monorprise
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