Posted on 09/07/2010 12:43:35 PM PDT by gjmerits
The Gettysburg speech was at once the shortest and the most famous oration in American history...the highest emotion reduced to a few poetical phrases. Lincoln himself never even remotely approached it. It is genuinely stupendous. But let us not forget that it is poetry, not logic; beauty, not sense. Think of the argument in it. Put it into the cold words of everyday. The doctrine is simply this: that the Union soldiers who died at Gettysburg sacrificed their lives to the cause of self-determination - that government of the people, by the people, for the people, should not perish from the earth. It is difficult to imagine anything more untrue. The Union soldiers in the battle actually fought against self-determination; it was the Confederates who fought for the right of their people to govern themselves.
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I've never read anything which indicates any state of the CSA ever engaged in, rebellion, or resistance against civil authority, of the CSA.
Imagine that.
Technically, they were states of the CSA. I forgot to include you in my response to rockrr @ post 281.
Unilateral: an adjective
undertaken or done by or on behalf of one side, party, or faction only; not mutual: a unilateral decision; unilateral disarmament.
The Southern states walked out without discussion with the other side of the issue. Their actions were unilateral in nature. And also illegal.
Never pick a fight with the dictionary, son. It just makes you look stupid.
Well, you're as confused as a cow on astroturf.
Let me help you because we wouldn't want you to look stupid
SECEDE: to withdraw from an organization (as a religious communion or political party or federation)
SECESSION: formal withdrawal from an organization
Well, no... at the time they seceded, they were officially states of the United States.
At the moment of secession, they placed themselves in revolt against the established government, thereby satisfying the definition of "insurrection."
Really ... what a silly point of contention. Yeah, I know you're just trying to get around what the Constitution actually says, but the fact is that it was insurrection.
Rebellion is defined as open, armed, and usually unsuccessful defiance of or opposition to an established government. An accurate description of the southern actions. Especially the 'unsuccessful' part.
Why do you think it was voted down? Because it wasn't necessary.
Is that so? The question under discussion was whether secession was an act of insurrection.
It was.
By definition.
Sorry to burst your little bubble, methane boy.
Can we get a Sieg Heil on that! The South was NOT in opposition of the CSA government that they had just founded dork. They were fighting a foreign invasion.
Just because you believe the fascist revisionist history of events 1861-1865 doesn't mean everyone has to.
You're reduced to arguing with the dictionary. You lose.
Fixed it for ya.
At the moment of secession, they placed themselves in revolt against the established government, thereby satisfying the definition of "insurrection."
Please show me the wording in the U.S. Constitution which declares secession to be revolt against the established government.
Really ... what a silly point of contention. Yeah, I know you're just trying to get around what the Constitution actually says, but the fact is that it was insurrection.
Trying to get around what the Constitution actually says? Please prvide the wording in the U.S. Constitution which declares secession to be insurrection.
You mean their imaginary confederate states of America, doofus? The area that not a single country in the world recognized as a sovereign nation, moron? Is that the entity you say was founded, bonehead?
Can we get a Sieg Heil on that!
Seig Heil, y'all would be more appropriate, consider the parallels between Jeff Davis and Adolph Hitler and their two regimes.
Rebellion is defined as open, armed, and usually unsuccessful defiance of or opposition to an established government. An accurate description of the southern actions. Especially the 'unsuccessful' part.
Do you have any suggested reading for which states of the CSA were in rebellion against the CSA?
How are today, NS?
Should read; How are ya today, NS?
I've had better.
Do you have any suggested reading for which states of the CSA were in rebellion against the CSA?
They were in rebellion against the United States. The confederate states as a sovereign nation did not exist and has never existed. Hard to be in rebellion against an imaginary nation, wouldn't you say.
Playing coy with a dodge like that just makes you look obdurate.
I'd normally suggest that you can't possibly be serious.
Unfortunately, I've seen all too often how droolingly irrational neo-confeds can get when confronted with things like "the dictionary." I just can't seem to work up any sense of amazement at your lamentably predictable response.
Ditto. Well, here's to hoping that our day ends better than it began:)
They were in rebellion against the United States.
They were not in rebellion against the U.S. They were no longer states of the U.S.
The confederate states as a sovereign nation did not exist and has never existed.
The CSA was a sovereign nation. Too much Lincoln koolaid for you?
Hard to be in rebellion against an imaginary nation, wouldn't you say.
Nothing imaginary about the CSA. She bled for four years.
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