For me it is not self evident that killing someone is the same as eating pork (although Muslims may believe these two are very close).
I feel like I need a refresh course in logic to debate the issue.
I am a simple person. All I am saying it is not so easy to agree even on things that seem self-evident for many of us - like God, do not kill, do not eat pork etc.
Muslims believe God spelled the Koran to Mohammed. If we agree that jihad is wrong - can we be objectively right?
If you want to stop this debate to be resume a later date, I am fine with that.
I just want to leave you with this. Eventually, to defend the notion that there is no God, the atheist will be forced to also defend the notion that there is no objective right and wrong, or at the very least, we can never know what we do is really objectively right or wrong.
That really, your innate moral sense about the existence of right and wrong is actually, unbeknownst to you, your faith in the existence of a natural order.