If you want to stop this debate to be resume a later date, I am fine with that.
I just want to leave you with this. Eventually, to defend the notion that there is no God, the atheist will be forced to also defend the notion that there is no objective right and wrong, or at the very least, we can never know what we do is really objectively right or wrong.
That really, your innate moral sense about the existence of right and wrong is actually, unbeknownst to you, your faith in the existence of a natural order.
I agree with your last statement. It is not easy to define objective right or wrong. Even with God, because different religions may be in disagreemnt.
I was hoping there is common sense and basic principles most of us agree on. It is just not so easy.
Thank you for your thoughts.
Have a good day!