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To: MrB

It is somehow self-evident that those things are wrong.

I am not angry at all. I am just sharing my personal difficulty with Beck’s plan.


28 posted on 08/30/2010 8:02:44 AM PDT by Big Bureaucracy
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To: Big Bureaucracy

Self-evident? Why?
Is there some Objective Standard perchance?
Perhaps this “self-evidency” is “written on our hearts”?


31 posted on 08/30/2010 8:06:41 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Big Bureaucracy

My reference to “angry” was in regard to people feeling a sense of “wrongness” about lying, cheating, stealing, murdering, etc. If you’re upset about those things, you might as well be upset about an acid/base reaction, or one animal eating another.


34 posted on 08/30/2010 8:08:57 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Big Bureaucracy

The notion of wrong implies that there is a natural order of ways things should be.

If there is not a Supreme consciousness who ordains that natural order the concept of “right” and “wrong” have no meaning other than “that which I like” and “that which I dislike”, which is fine, but although one’s personal likes and dislikes may be self-evident to one self, no one else is either obligated to agree or conform his behavior to them.

Right and Wrong are only universally “self-evident” because God’s existence is self-evident.


39 posted on 08/30/2010 8:16:52 AM PDT by Truthsearcher
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