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CALL FOR ALL of India's 'Untouchables' to get Rights
WebToday ^ | 8-29-10 | WebToday

Posted on 08/29/2010 1:39:04 PM PDT by geraldmcg

August 27, 2010 marked the one year anniversary of the passage of the historic law in Andhra Pradesh, India, a state with nearly 100 million people, givings rights to India’s ‘Untouchables’ who previously lost their rights if they converted to Christianity.

On this anniversary, Evangelist Dr. K.A. Paul called for India to make the state law national to become the law of the land for the world’s largest democracy.

Dr. Paul is calling for prayer and fasting throughout the world for India to give equal rights to all people, and to call their embassies to urge leaders in India to do the right thing.

India’s infamous caste system includes multiple unfortunate people groups, including Christians, who over the course of history were deems to be lower caste, rarely able to rise above the strata of their caste.

The so-called Untouchables, being the lowest caste, suffer through life without rights and privileges of the other citizens of India, particularly in rural areas, which comprises the bulk of the population of India.

The state of Maharashtra currently has 10% of the population of Untouchables, or ‘Dalit,’ a Hindi designation, similar to Black Americans who in nineteenth century America initially had no rights and later ‘elevated’ to being considered being three fifths of a citizen.

Dalits perform tasks often scorned by ‘higher’ Hindu castes that ironically include Ghandi’s high class, including having ‘low life’ Dalits to collect human excrement from dirty toilets to dispose in drains with bare hands and without protective masks.

Dr. K.A. Paul, a popular evangelist from Maharashtra, India, has been instrumental in the passage of this historic human rights bill and is now working on getting the Bill passed in India’s National Parliament to extend the rights to over 300 million ‘low caste’ ‘untouchables’ throughout India.

Stated Dr. Paul, “The 2.5 billion Catholics and Protestants worldwide will rejoice when this Bill is passed into law for the whole nation of India, freeing 300 million lower caste Indian citizens. To put the matter into perspective. That is about equal to the entire population of The United States of America.”

The article is at the WebToday web site at: http://888webtoday.com/articles/viewnews.cgi?id=EklkAkuyZpnOslmaKW


TOPICS: Government; History; Politics; Religion
KEYWORDS: christians; india; kapaul; untouchables
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1 posted on 08/29/2010 1:39:06 PM PDT by geraldmcg
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To: geraldmcg
Isn't it wonderful to know that the filth who benefitted the most from the evil Caste system get affirmative action preferences in the United States when they come here?

I have had many of them tell me that they "it's natural" that they should get special treatment when they come here, because of course, they're Upper Caste.

That's how they intrepret it.

Isn't Third World Immigration great?

2 posted on 08/29/2010 1:42:37 PM PDT by Regulator (Watch Out!! The Americans are On the March!! America Forever, Mexico Never!)
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To: geraldmcg

May God and the spirits of justice and democracy end the caste system in India.


3 posted on 08/29/2010 1:45:48 PM PDT by benjibrowder (For Neda. May God bless those fighting for freedom.)
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To: Regulator
All cultures are equal. Diversity is our strength". /sarc
4 posted on 08/29/2010 1:46:38 PM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck.)
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To: Regulator

Ahh, I hadn’t thought of that. It absolutely explains the attitude. Thanks!


5 posted on 08/29/2010 1:47:17 PM PDT by huldah1776
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To: geraldmcg
There's a great novel which deals with the caste system called A Fine Balance
6 posted on 08/29/2010 1:47:54 PM PDT by Krankor (I had too much to dream last night, too much to dream.)
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To: geraldmcg; Regulator

I hate bring the ants to this here pic-a-nic but Thomas Sowell has written that the Dalits have been officially freed/liberated/manumitted, etc. for decades now. They’ve been beneficiaries of the sort of quotas and preferences we would find all-too-familiar with the same sort of corrosive effects.

The problem is discrimination of the unofficial, can’t-prove-anything variety.


7 posted on 08/29/2010 1:48:19 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: geraldmcg; Regulator; benjibrowder; Eagles6; huldah1776; Krankor

I sympathize deeply with their plight. Ever since we had to switch to a low-flow commode I’ve had to get familiar with handling doody regularly on an intimate basis.

Sarah Palin could appeal to us commonweals by referencing the low-flow sh***ers in the context of the regulatory state. She should call it the “brown hand vote”.


8 posted on 08/29/2010 1:53:20 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: geraldmcg
The arrogance of the high-caste author of the article is manifested in his use of language. He speaks of the Dalit as being "given" rights. That which can be "given" can also be taken away, or never given at all—at the whim of the giver. Such things are usually referred to as privileges.

In contrast, rights are what you already rightfully have—either by having earned them, or because they inherently belong to you because of who and/or what you are.

The issue is not whether the Dalit should be given any rights. Whatever rights they have, they have always had. The question is whether Indian society is now ready to recognize and respect the equal, symmetrical, reciprocal rights that all humans intrinsically possess.

9 posted on 08/29/2010 2:04:17 PM PDT by sourcery (United We Stand, Divided We Fall: You have to give in order to get)
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To: Regulator

How does an Asian Indian go about receiving Affirmative Action benefits in America? Any evidence of it, other than hearsay, that I can use as a legitimate, published citation?

That said, like the others pointed out here, India has one of the largest Affirmative Action programmes on the planet - reservations routinely run up over 50% of available posts, in many states. I’m not sure what the status is today, but this was true about a couple of years ago (2005-06).


10 posted on 08/29/2010 2:08:46 PM PDT by James C. Bennett
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To: sourcery

Dr. K.A. Paul is himself a Dalit.

From WiKi:

“In 2005, the Evangelical Council for Financial Accountability terminated the membership of Paul’s organization for failing to meet financial accountability and governance standards. Financial details of his ministries are listed by Ministry Watch; the independent source for ministry ratings.”


11 posted on 08/29/2010 2:15:19 PM PDT by James C. Bennett
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To: James C. Bennett
Dr. K.A. Paul is himself a Dalit.

Then his language reflects the biases of Indian culture. It's still wrong—and dangerously so.

12 posted on 08/29/2010 2:19:11 PM PDT by sourcery (United We Stand, Divided We Fall: You have to give in order to get)
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To: geraldmcg; JimWayne

Interesting article about the activist mentioned in your post:

The Plane Truth


Houston minister Dr. K.A. Paul flies around the globe using Jesus to pull in worldwide donations — unfortunately spending more money on jet fuel than orphans

By Craig Malisow

Thursday, Jun 8 2006

http://www.houstonpress.com/2006-06-08/news/the-plane-truth/1/

On a Saturday afternoon in January 2005, a short Indian minister stormed into Gallery Furniture and demanded to speak to owner Jim “Mattress Mac” McIngvale.

There are few places as crowded as Gallery Furniture on a Saturday, but the man, surrounded by his entourage, was insistent. A staff member summoned McIngvale, who agreed to talk with the man for a few minutes.

He introduced himself as Dr. K.A. Paul. He was a famous globetrotting minister based in Houston. He wanted to bring medical supplies to tsunami victims in Sri Lanka, but he needed $200,000 for gas money. He needed it now.

“The whole thing was kind of surreal,” McIngvale recalls. He’d never heard of Paul. He had also just donated $250,000 to the tsunami relief program launched by former presidents Bush and Clinton.

“I just figured, if you’ve got enough money to buy a billion-dollar airplane, you oughta have enough money to [pump it] full of gas,” McIngvale says. “That’d be like some guy in a brand-new Rolls-Royce pulling up here asking for gas money.”

It smelled bad. McIngvale denied Paul’s request.

So the minister did what any good Christian would do: He held a press conference blaming McIngvale for withholding desperately needed supplies from helpless children.

Paul was not used to being denied. His ministry claims powerful backers. Dallas millionaire Nelson Bunker Hunt was a major contributor. Cincinnati Reds owner Carl Lindner Jr., too. Flying around the world in his 747, Global Peace One (for more about the plane, see the sidebar “The ‘Flying Death Trap,’ “ at the end of this article), Paul says he’s counseled dictators Charles Taylor, Saddam Hussein and Slobodan Milosevic. He claims to operate the biggest, most successful orphanage in India. He’s saved countless widows in India and brought peace to Rwanda. His peacekeeping missions have succeeded where America’s have failed, which has put him in the crosshairs of A-list enemies like Condoleezza Rice.

But a Houston Press investigation into Anand Kilari — the man who calls himself Dr. K.A. Paul — showed some far less admirable moments in his life, including:

• claiming another minister’s leper colony as his own, and videotaping said lepers for a promotional video

• transporting children in an airplane one former crew member called a “flying death trap”

• leaving a trail of unpaid bills for the plane’s fuel and maintenance

• interfering with a murder investigation in India, earning the wrath of that country’s National Council of Churches

• fleeing to the United States from India after nine of his American volunteers were arrested and thrown in prison

• abandoning an 11-year-old girl after checking her into a hospital

The investigation revealed a story much different from the one spun by Anand Kilari and his supporters. It’s the story of an egomaniac with a doctored past and an obsession with an airplane that receives more money than starving orphans in India, a man whose hubris and deceptions have burned nearly every bridge that was supposed to lead him to his true, unspoken goal: to show the world that where there once was Mother Teresa, Mohandas Gandhi and Martin Luther King Jr., there is now Dr. K.A. Paul.

Kilari’s most immediate problem is a civil lawsuit filed in Los Angeles Superior Court.

The suit, filed by the Friends of the Israeli Defense Forces, alleges that Kilari defrauded the Friends out of $850,000 the group paid him to fly his plane to Poland and Israel for a Holocaust memorial. (Kilari also has been referred to as Kilari Anand. However, his Texas driver’s license lists him as Anand Kilari.)

The suit’s many charges include fraud and conspiracy, alleging that Kilari and key staff never intended to fly the passengers to Poland and Israel.

The Friends were introduced to Kilari after their original travel plans fell through. A mutual contact introduced them to Kilari, who was already heading to the Middle East to meet the heads of Libya, Syria and India. He was doing this as a part of his humanitarian organization, Global Peace Initiative, a separate entity from his evangelical outfit, Gospel to the Unreached Millions. The letterheads change, depending on whom Kilari wants money from. In dealing with 90-some Jews flying to Auschwitz, Global Peace Initiative was the better bet. Kilari asked the group to pencil in a meeting with Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon. They agreed, and everything was set.

However, Global Peace Initiative did not have a permit to charter flights. In order to accept the $850,000, Kilari had to make it clear that the money was a “donation” for a “partnership.” This was made clear in the group’s internal e-mails, copies of which were obtained by the Houston Press.

In a June 2005 e-mail to Kilari’s staff, the group’s international director wrote:

“Many have insisted on calling this a charter — which would be illegal. We should never even respond or we should respond only by saying that we have no charter flight...We have no charter, only a partnership...Please be very alert because if [FIDF] could get some of us to respond to them that this is a charter, they could be financially relieved of their contribution and Dr. Paul could go to jail.”


13 posted on 08/29/2010 2:27:08 PM PDT by James C. Bennett
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To: sourcery

See #13.


14 posted on 08/29/2010 2:27:54 PM PDT by James C. Bennett
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To: sourcery

The person, Dr. K.A. Paul, is a charlatan and a big-time fraud.

The article on #13 is merely an excerpt; the source link has very interesting information on his fraudulent activities.


15 posted on 08/29/2010 2:35:09 PM PDT by James C. Bennett
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To: Regulator
But, but, but...that's their culture! We have to respect that! We have to celebrate that! We can't force our values on the rest of the world, you know!
16 posted on 08/29/2010 2:37:12 PM PDT by FrdmLvr ( VIVA la SB 1070!)
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To: Regulator

I think your post is racist because you call Indians as filth. My experience with Indians has been pleasant and I also know that they are among the worst hit along with the Chinese when it comes to affirmative action. The biggest beneficiaries of affirmative action are, hold your breath, White women.


17 posted on 08/29/2010 2:40:12 PM PDT by JimWayne
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To: Regulator; geraldmcg

Churches in India exist solely to defraud the West of money. Of course, they learnt it from the West. Red Cross defrauded people who donated for Haiti’s Relief by pocketing a large part of the funds received.


18 posted on 08/29/2010 2:45:32 PM PDT by JimWayne
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To: geraldmcg
Oh-my-goodness-gracious-I-am-so-sorry-your-society-is-experiencing-a-problem ping.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

19 posted on 08/29/2010 2:56:11 PM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: James C. Bennett
Dear James,

Since you live Down Under perhaps you are unfamiliar with the un-Constitutional scam known in the United States as "affirmative action". That's not surprising since it was never voted on, but rather "implemented" by regulations which claimed EO 11246 as authorization.

Within these regulations are some rather ridiculous definitions of who is favored, to wit:

Racial/Ethnic Groups: The four racial/ethnic groups protected by Federal equal employment opportunity laws are Blacks, Hispanics, Asians or Pacific Islanders, and American Indians or Alaskan Natives. Racial/ethnic groups are defined by the Federal Government as follows:

White (not of Hispanic origin): Persons having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, North Africa, or the Middle East.

Black (not of Hispanic origin): Persons having origins in any of the Black racial groups of Africa.

Hispanic: Persons of Mexican, Puerto Rican, Cuban, Central or South American, or other Spanish culture or origin, regardless of race.

Asian or Pacific Islander: Persons having origins in any of the original peoples of the Far East, Southeast Asia, the Indian Subcontinent, or the Pacific Islands. This area includes, for example, China, Japan, Korea, the Philippine Islands, and Samoa.

American Indian or Alaskan Native: Persons having origins in any of the original peoples of North America and who maintain cultural identification through tribal affiliation or community recognition.

Note that "whites" of any stripe are allegedly excluded, although this fails to explain why the King of Spain would enjoy Affirmative Action benefits were he to decamp to the U.S.A.

However, the 1.3 billion "Asian Indians" are in fact covered, and explains one of the reasons that Silicon Valley companies hire them: they get federal credit for it without having to hire Negroes, whom they fear.

20 posted on 08/29/2010 3:03:56 PM PDT by Regulator (Watch Out!! The Americans are On the March!! America Forever, Mexico Never!)
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