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To: danamco; RachelFaith

Why would I give squat about some guy named Strunk?

From your quote, it looks like he LOST in court trying to get more information in an attempt to find out if Obama had an Indonesian passport.

Currently, there is no evidence that Obama has ever needed or used an Indonesian passport. Had he returned to the USA using one, it would have sent up red flags. He has not traveled anywhere that would require anything other than a US passport...so what you have left is an accusation, unsupported by facts or reason.

Nor would any of this affect US citizenship - including natural born citizenship - for Obama. That is based on where he was born. Period. You will notice the 14th Amendment makes no qualification based on parentage, and the courts have consistently held that you do not lose US citizenship.

See http://supreme.justia.com/us/377/163/case.html :

“Appellant, who was born in Germany, came to this country with her parents as a child and acquired derivative American citizenship. She lived abroad since graduation from college, became married to a German national, and, except for two visits back to this country, has lived in Germany for the past eight years. The State Department denied her a passport, certifying that she had lost her American citizenship under § 352(a)(1) of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, which provides that a naturalized citizen, with exceptions not material here, loses citizenship by continuous residence for three years in the country of origin....

...A native-born citizen is free to reside abroad indefinitely without suffering loss of citizenship. The discrimination aimed at naturalized citizens drastically limits their rights to live and work abroad in a way that other citizens may. It creates indeed a second-class citizenship. Living abroad, whether the citizen be naturalized or native born, is no badge of lack of allegiance, and in no way evidences a voluntary renunciation of nationality and allegiance. It may indeed be compelled by family, business, or other legitimate reasons.

Reversed.”

So no, Obama would not lose US citizenship by living in Indonesia, nor could his parents renounce US citizenship for him.

Also, notice this comment in their decision, well before Obama:

“We start from the premise that the rights of citizenship of the native born and of the naturalized person are of the same dignity, and are coextensive. The only difference drawn by the Constitution is that only the “natural born” citizen is eligible to be President. Art. II, § 1.”

Hmmm...the only difference between the native born and the naturalized is that only the natural born can become President. That sentence only makes sense if they equate native born with natural born, correct?

So IF Obama was born in the US, THEN he is a US citizen and natural born, IAW the reasoning used by the Supreme Court starting long before Obama was born. Thus worry about an Indonesian passport is a waste.

However, I do thank you for bring up a fact based objection.


610 posted on 08/03/2010 11:55:34 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (When the ass brays, don't reply...)
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To: Mr Rogers
However, I do thank you for bring up a fact based objection.

I didn't state a fact, I only posted excerpts from others opinion. Neither you or I know the facts about your dear leader's adoption, because like you are trying to muddying the water so has your dear leader in the W.H. been more effective than you to hide, sanitizing and bury the whole truth and nothing but the truth!!!

So IF Barry became an Indonesian citizen, and IF he lost his U.S. citizenship which also is very doubtful that he ever had (IF born in Kenya, which they claim over there) and still an "IF," and IF he then re-entered U.S. as an Indonesian citizen, you will still fight for him as being a NBC, right???

637 posted on 08/04/2010 9:33:01 AM PDT by danamco (")
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