Please review this thread. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2512143/posts
We want to see Obama’s long form birth certificate to verify his father’s citizenship.
I recalled Theseus could not be a citizen of Athens based on Pericles citizenship law....born to citizen parents.
Locating old law dictionaries, and books on citizenship, reading the definitions of a natural born citizen.
It has been quite an adventure. There is plenty of information to cast doubt Obama is a natural born citizen.
We would like the Supreme Court to decide if Obama is a natural born citizen based on the intent of the Founders.
Perhaps your emotional attachments to Obama have shrouded your judgement.
You don't need to locate old law dictionaries. Just look up natural-born in an Oxford English Dictionary which is really a history of English language word usage. It's pretty clear from the OED that at the time of the drafting for the Constitution natural-born referred to the legal status of one's parents, and not even the place of birth. They suggest comparison with native born which referred to the place of birth and not the status of the parents.
People can come here blowing smoke all they want, but it is rather obvious why the Framers included this adjective and what they meant.
ML/NJ
Did IQ's suddenly drop while I was away?
You are not paying attention.
Let me spell it out for you in three easy lines. READ them.
First: I do not support Obama, so knock off that red herring. I consider him to be the most evil man to have taken power in this nation's history and the damgae he is and will continue to do, IRREPARABLE.
Second: Non of this is an emotional reaction. These are facts to which I have come to sudden terms, and for which necessitate drastic, clear and providential actions. That is, actions which will provide for me and mine, after this course of events has completed and the realities are fully implemented.
Third, and this is the most difficult for you. So, please, pay very careful attention, do not skim, do not dismiss. Your lives and the lives of your progeny depend upon your understanding and the actions you choose to take following.
Obama is NOT Bill Clinton. He is a not as Twit McConnell says, "going to be moved to the center". He is a cornered rabid dog and he will bite. He is GOING to pass Amnesty. Get over it, deal with it. Plan for it. Know what it means politically, culturally, and demographically and do not pretend it won't happen.
Obama is NOT concerned with polls or even getting reelected or even having a majority. He will do these evil deeds in December of this year while the American public is celebrating the landslide election and buying Christmass gifts.
The new Congress, will be under the SAME spineless game playing, good old boy, RINOS. They will NOT have the votes, or the will, to actually UNDO, REPAIR, or ARREST any of these unconstitutional, abusive, usurping, damning, destructive actions. They just will NOT do what needs to be done. They never have and they never will. Social Security is Unconstitutional. Have they done ANYTHING about that in 50 years? Abortion on Demand? Homosexuality being taught to Kindergartners? Any of the societal ills of the 20th century? Have we ever abated ONE? NO!
I know that is a sobering thought. I know you cling to the hope that America has finally had enough. Those are informed but biased fantasies. The American people are frogs being boiled and while the water is very hot, they are STILL NOT JUMPING OUT!
Lastly we come to this magic bullet. "If we prove he is erh, was never legitimately President, then, THAT will make it all go away.
You are DEAD Wrong. For all the reasons above in my post and all of the arguments posted by Mr Rogers and others.
Now, if you are still in a state of calm reading, if you are not agitated, which is THEIR goal, to remove you from reason and blind you with false hopes and wild goose chases, please read on.
I actually think you, aka Birthers, have a technical point. You could very well be right, but it is nevertheless a fools errand. You will win this battle and thus LOSE the entire war.
I said Obama was no Bill Clinton, he's no Dan Rather either. Dan was thrown under the bus, as a useful idiot. Obama isn't going to be stopped by such means. Obama's life long goal is Revolutionary Marxism. You MUST know how Marxists think! He intends to just DO these things and BREAK the system.
He has succeeded. Did you hear that? It IS broken. Here is just one example.
1982-1986 was the fastest period of growth in American History, in terms of income, jobs, etc rebounding from the Carter 21% inflation years. 4 years. To recover from the damages done by Obama, will require 16 consecutive 1982-1986 years. 400% greater growth. Never happened. Never will happen. It is a mathematical impossibility.
Worse! The RINO Elites do not WANT it to happen. They seek the end of the "we the people" and are actively playing their part on the game to remake a new America where you have no liberty and only the freedoms they grant you.
And while all this is happening, you spend hours and hours in this fantasy that finding a smoking gun will FIX it?
THAT is my frustration. There are so many REAL things we could, should and MUST be doing, and yet, here you are.... Tilting at the windmill they constructed and thinking it is the dragon itself.
Fool, Fool, Fool. Nobody bleeds for the dancer.