Posted on 07/10/2010 12:24:46 PM PDT by Jess Kitting
One fact or factor not listed was the (subjective) mores of the time. It was 1961, when an 18 year old girl getting pregnant out of wedlock was considered a disgrace. For a white girl to be carrying a black baby .. well, that was quite something else again. Typically, pregnant single women in those days went to a ‘home for unwed mothers,’ disappearing from sight.
The Dunhams, despite their leftist or even Communist beliefs, were an otherwise middle class family with middle class jobs (she was in banking; he was in furniture sales as I recall). They lived in Honolulu, not Greenwich Village or any other of the few ‘bohemian’ havens of the time. They had friends, neighbors, co-workers. What would THEY think? It is not inconceivable that Mrs. Dunham feared losing her jo. That’s how seriously these matters were taken. Back then people really did care what the neighbors thought. And a nice middle class family would not want the neighbors thinking badly of their one and only daughter.
What would be easier than to cook up a story about their daughter’s untimely pregnancy? Again, we have to think 1961. There was no internet, no google. A telephone call to anyplace outside the US was rare. Further, given the times, their daughter was pregnant with a black child. An obscure student from Africa could have any kind of background. No one would know or be able to verify if he had a wife back in Kenya. No one would look for a marriage certificate as long as a couple (or one of them, or one of the parents) said they were married. People were not so suspicious in those days.
Anyone could call the newspaper to publish a birth announcement. It was really rather amazing what people could ‘get away with’ in 1961. They could go to the hospital, have the baby, and tell them that the father was absolutely anyone whose name they wanted listed on the birth certificate. They could claim he was away studying, or he was back in Africa over the summer .. just anything.
One of my best friends became pregnant later in the 60s at the same age as Ann Dunham was in ‘61. She’d been away from home at college; dad was a newly minted doctor. They did not marry. So, she went home, and as far as anyone in the hometown knew, she married and quickly divorced the baby’s dear old dad. There’s even a birth certificate with the dad’s name on it to prove it!
The Dunhams could have made up any story they wanted back then, and none would be the wiser. Who knew the kid would grow up to be POTUS?
Fact # 3 is still in question.
Hey ? we unfairly took Hawaii away from the Hawaiians.
” If they weren’t married, then the “Mr and Mrs” birth announcement was fraudulent. “ and forged.
I understand all that,have read 1000 threads on it. None of that is where the article goes.
Even if it was a arranged marriage, they still where married.
Really?
Could we plz see the Marriage Certificate?
Excellent point.
All the Dunhams were trying to do was get legitimacy for the child. That baby Barack might someday become U.S. President was the farthest thing from their minds.
When adult Barack Obama Jr realized that the truth of his origins might somehow hurt his bid for the Presidency, he and his handlers had to do something about it. So they concocted a story "Dreams of My Father" and sold it to the American people.
Some contend that the newspaper ad is a fake, created by the Obama team to discredit the "birthers." If that is so, it would lead to an even greater Fraud, committed not by the Dunhams or Obama Sr., but by candidate Barack Obama Jr. himself, and/or his handlers.
They can't have it both ways.
Either the newspaper ad is correct, as the Obama team alleges, or it is a fake.
If the ad is genuine, then
1) Obama Sr. was a bigamist (if indeed the child were his and Ms. Dunham's.) or
2) someone falsely placed the ad in the Honolulu newspaper.
If the newspaper ad is a fake, then whoever fabricated it has committed a more serious fraud.
Mark Levin is a Coward and a Fraud.
In summary Obama simply “Failed to Qualify”.
But the mad for glory democratic party was overly eager to overlook the fundamental laws pertaining to the strict conditions on WHO can be President and waived them off, skipped over the process and basically pushed Obama ahead solely because he did manage to fool and brainwash a sizable majority of weak minded people.
Obama the great con artist equipped with a nearly unlimited amount of Islamic funding infiltrated the MSM, hyped his product as the answer to everyones problems and found a suckers market.
In a way it is what America deserves for becoming a weak willed society, unfortunately for the rest of us we have to put up with neighbors and co-workers who were part of his little snake oil scheme to bliss.
This has already started a process to recovery but its solely directed at what our weakness is and its how we fell for a false leader, its now also very very apparent that its time to correct that mistake.
Now we know how the process works and now we are better equipped to spot it when its being initiated. As the song goes, “We won’t be fooled again” it should be remembered well and played often, might be the best music for Sarah Palin and her position of cleaning up the Obama Roman frat party.
I don’t think that running a birth announcement falsely stating the ‘father’ or the bio-parents’ legal status is fraud in the sense that later generating a false COLB to establish eligibility to serve as POTUS is.
I tend to think it was granny, trying to maintain what she could of her daughter’s (and her family’s) reputation in the community at the time. The COLB, if proven fraudulent, is quite another thing.
Let’s assume granny DID run the birth notice back in 1961. Its purpose was benign. Nothing of tangible value was gained. If, on the other hand, Obama & Co. generated a totally false COLB that’s purpose was to establish his eligibility, that would be outright fraud. He had something of value to gain. Actually, something of enormous value.
There was a thread on here last night about the #3 administrator at Texas A&M claiming degrees he didn’t have. He resigned but is still legally culpable, as his fraud got him a (taxpayer-funded) $300K/year job. If he’d told you and me online that he had those degrees, it might be ‘fraud’ but not legally culpable fraud, since he’d have gained nothing.
Still, I think more is being made of the birth certificate as a legal issue than it’s worth. If the actual bona-fide certificate were disclosed, it would establish that he was or was not born in the USA. If not, that’s a quick, automatic disqualifier.
However, even if he was born in HI, his father was not a US citizen. That raises the issue discussed at the time of the drafting of the Constitution about split allegiances, etc., and their insertion of ‘natural born’ into the Constitution to prevent any such splitting of allegiances. I really would like SCOTUS to interpret what the Signers meant at the time by ‘natural born citizen.’ But, honestly, don’t expect them to take it up in my lifetime.
Zero was born in Mombasa, modern day Kenya.
All the evidence points to it, all of it. Anyone claiming “well maybe they weren’t married, maybe that’s not Obama Sr.’s kid” — you just haven’t researched this long enough, and you don’t know Obama. This is the premier site on this issue, with the researchers, investigators, lawyers etc posting since the earliest rumblings in 2008, and the answer is pretty clear.
Look folks, it’s 2010, still WH spokesclown Gibbs can’t answer what hospital Barry’s born in?????????
No circumstances of his birth.
No proof of where Obama Sr. and Stanley Ann Dunham lived.
No baby pictures of Obama in Hawaii.
No pictures of a pregnant Stanley Ann Dunham.
No pictures of marriage of Ann and Obama Sr.
No statements by the Payne (grandmother) family including
about Obama’s birth circumstance.
Why is this SO HARD? Why is this such a BIG DEAL?
It’s because it’s all a lie, and it is a big deal, because Zero is fraud.
Yes, that’s right, your instinct of Obama, the corrupt liar, who’s evidence of lying is well out in the open with a distinct trail of vomit is right there in front of you. Why would you think his past as any different?
Many people’s hesitancy stems from this: They can’t get over the fact, that no one in the media and especially CONSERVATIVE media, or in the government, is making this an issue. If something so damning were true, how could he get on the ballot, how is he still in power, etc. I would totally agree with this common sense questioning, and all I can say is, we’ve got major problems coming. We’re looking at the biggest Constitutional crisis in U.S. history probably since, what the civil war?
Of course, we didn’t hear much about how McCain was born on foreign Panamanian soil. We didn’t hear much about Roger Calero of the Socialist Workers Party born in Nicaragua on the ballot as well in 5 states. We already know how Obama and Hillary’s efforts to set up McCain to be eligible to run for the Presidency.
Common sense factors like out of wedlock pregnancy to a black foreigner in Hawaii at age 18 is why Stanley Ann was estranged from her parents.
She never attended University of Hawaii Spring quarters since she wasn’t there — she was in Kenya with Obama Sr at the holiday break, where they were most likely married, as it would have been the crime of bigamy in HI. So Sr. came back to Hawaii to college, and Stanley Ann stays in Kenya, fails to make it back home late July as she’s refused boarding being late term pregnant and as witnessed. She has Barack Jr. at Mombasa Coast Provincial General Hospital because of it’s trained British Colonial Service staff, and heads home right away..home being her old stomping grounds of Mercer Island, Washington State. Witness testimony of her not knowing how to change Barack Jr.’s diapers per friend. She’s back in college at Washington State as transcripts attest for another year. And returns to Hawaii Nov-Dec 1962 and resumes University of Hawaii Spring Quarters. By this time, Obama Sr. had already started at Harvard in Boston, Fall 1962. So clearly, no real relationship developed in this “marriage”. In addition, the estrangement with parents is also on full display.
And years later, Stanley Ann would again (as previous behavior) show her unique independant spirit when she marries another foreigner, and moves to another third world habitat in Indonesia. It’s the same story. And yes, she WAS different for a white middle class American gal.
And blah blah blah, let’s also not forget Barry’s birth certificated copy obtained dated Feb 1964 has provenance from the Obama Sr./Stanley Ann divorce papers and proceedings which occurred Jan-March 1964. And yet, surprise, the heaven’s didn’t break. The news media is nowhere.
There is NOTHING presented by Zero and his top law firms in nearly 70 cases (news? naw, let’s look Tiger Woods undie drawer) around the U.S. concerning his eligibility. So millions on lawyer fees, yet let’s not even show his online “proof” short form COLB, presented to the court with evidenciary affidavit, says born in Hawaii don’t it?
Conspiracy of common sense. The COLB is a fake, we know it’s a fake, the birth announcment in the paper means nothing but will probably also be proven fake. Blah blah blah.
THE REAL QUESTIONS PEOPLE NEED TO BE ASKING ARE:
Why did Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, nephew of King Abdullah (Obama’s deep bow) buy and pay for Obama’s Harvard acceptance, tuition, Pres of Harvard Law Review position, and degree 1988-1991? He was clearly being groomed then; Talal with other Muslim backers financed his Presidential campaign later.
Khalid Al-Mansour solicited numerous parties to get Obama into Harvard, including Prince Talal, as he was a Saudi financial advisor.
How did it come about that Al-Mansour discovered Obama? Was it solely from William Ayers? What other radical elements?
Where was Obama during his entire time at Columbia College days 1981-1983? Was he abroad doing a correspondance course? Was it in a Communist country? Did he have a Fulbright Scholarship obtained from his mother’s employer the Ford Foundation with an Indonesian passport?
The Communists have historically used Muslims and Third World starlets as pawns; they’ve tried to influence the black community for racial conflicts in America.
What we ought to be concerned about, besides a usurper, who the hell the Kenyan Klown is working for, is he a Russian plant, and what current treasonous activities are he and his masters doing to destroy this country?
Nonstop quests for Barry’s “daddy” aren’t going to get us there.
“Zero was born in Mombasa, modern day Kenya.
“All the evidence points to it, all of it.”
I don’t know what evidence you speak of that could stand up in court, any more than the online COLB would, assuming even a judge sympathetic to the eligibility question.
There was a thread on here a year or so ago that went for thousands of posts, showing THE Kenyan birth certificate. Yet, its provenance is disputable. It was disclaimed both by the owner of this site, and by WND which has been beating the eligibility drum roughly forever.
It is also reported that BHO, Sr’s mother said she was at the birth of BHO, Jr. in Mombassa, but that testimony has not been brought forward by any of the attorneys in any of the cases, at least that I know of. And for good reason. It’s either a rumor rather than report, cannot be verified, or the woman’s memory is questionable and her testimony would not stand up in court, even if it’s true.
I am not sure where that leaves us, but if you know of any evidence that would stand up in court, let us know what it is. Instinct and gut feelings just don’t count
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