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Ubuntu Lucid Lynx 10.04 can read your iPhone's secrets
ZDNet ^ | May 27, 2010 | Adrian Kingsley-Hughes

Posted on 06/25/2010 12:17:10 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier

Do you have a PIN code on your iPhone? Well, while that might protect you from someone making a call or fiddling with your apps, it doesn’t prevent access to your data … as long as the person doing the snooping around is using Ubuntu “Lucid Lynx” 10.04.

Security experts Bernd Marienfeldt and Jim Herbeck discovered something really interesting when they hooked up a non-jailbroken, fully up-to-date iPhone 3GS to a PC running Lucid Lynx …

I uncovered a data protection vulnerability [9], which I could reproduce on 3 other non jail broken 3GS iPhones (MC 131B, MC132B) with different iPhone OS versions installed (3.1.3-7E18 modem firmware 05.12.01 and version 3.1.2 -7D11, modem 05.11.07) , all PIN code protected which means the vulnerability bypasses authentication for various data where people most likely rely on data protection through encryption and do not expect that authentication is not in place.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet; Music/Entertainment
KEYWORDS: apple; fail; ilovebillgates; iphone; iwanthim; iwanthimbad; microsoftfanboys; secure
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To: for-q-clinton; RightOnTheLeftCoast
Oh, relax, both of you! :)

> Looks like you have made up your mind before getting all the facts... Not sure why you'd want to do that. If my phone had this huge security hole I'd be very concerned

The truth or falsehood of this sensationalist claim will come out eventually.

Tech blogs make mistakes all the time, and publish unfounded claims all the time. This one might be true, in which case you'll see it all over in a couple days. Or it might be false, in which case the authors will harrumph their way back to their basement to write another Apple-bashing article.

Patience, my FRiends, patience.

161 posted on 06/27/2010 12:23:33 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: for-q-clinton
"So based on one test on a version of linux that isn't even the one cited in the article you're ready to call this FUD? Looks like you have made up your mind before getting all the facts...hence your agenda is clear. Defend apple at all costs."

No, just getting the facts out. Such as: no /usr, /var or similar directories in the published screen-shots from the authors who whipped up the hysteric froth in the first place. The notion that you can plug an iPhone into a specific Ubuntu build and whoosh "all" its data out is unsupported by those screen-snaps.

I supposed if I were in the habit of taking nekkid photos or something, then I might prefer that the PIN be entered to mount anything at all. That's how Android does it, IIRC, and many users might find that to be bothersome. It's an arguable point--the tension between ease-of-use and security will always be with us--and IMHO the best way to do it would be a Settings switch which would allow the user of plug-and-play auto-mount or enter-a-PIN-first.

Meanwhile, your agenda couldn't be clearer, so mind that tendency towards projection, hm?
162 posted on 06/27/2010 12:23:45 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast (Obama: running for re-election in '12 or running for Mahdi now? [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi])
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To: dayglored

Unproven or not it’s is a pretty big hole (if true). And as in the screen shot you posted it would appear it’s true. Or they are just scamming everyone...in which case that is just wrong. We have enough real world security issues to deal with and don’t need people putting out lies.


163 posted on 06/27/2010 12:24:36 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: for-q-clinton
"For example, I learned that OSX has a built in anti-virus feature. Never knew that before."

[facepalm]

No it doesn't. It will, however, block the user from installing software carrying a trojan payload.
164 posted on 06/27/2010 12:26:03 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast (Obama: running for re-election in '12 or running for Mahdi now? [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi])
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To: for-q-clinton
"And as in the screen shot you posted it would appear it’s true."

Actually it shows just the opposite, which has been my point. Nothing sensitive is in those folders, near as I can tell.
165 posted on 06/27/2010 12:27:16 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast (Obama: running for re-election in '12 or running for Mahdi now? [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi])
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast; dayglored

You do have a good point. On the iPhone can I control what goes in the public directory? Or will photos always go there by default? and I’d have to move them later to keep snoops out?

Personally everything should go to private on the phone and only after I approve them should they go to public. What if I’m working on a project and took a photo I didn’t want shared? What if I took a photo of my co-worker and I drunk at the bar and I really didn’t want her husband to see it?

You get the gist. A phone should default to being secure. This sounds like the same crap windows did in the past. They defaulted to installing everything and leaving everythign wide open. it was up to the user to lock it down.


166 posted on 06/27/2010 12:28:35 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: for-q-clinton
"As soon as you plug in I start grabbing the data."

Nothing of interest, if I'm right.
167 posted on 06/27/2010 12:28:54 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast (Obama: running for re-election in '12 or running for Mahdi now? [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi])
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast

I’m not familiar with the iPhone directory structure. What would typically be in each of those folders? Like purchases, downloads, photos, etc...


168 posted on 06/27/2010 12:30:06 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: for-q-clinton
> Unproven or not it’s is a pretty big hole (if true). And as in the screen shot you posted it would appear it’s true.

The screenshot shows nothing private. Just folders. They did not show contents of any of the folders, which could be locked. I'm a skeptic by nature.

"Hey I can access the CIA's secret database!!"

"Prove it!"

"Unproven or not it’s is a pretty big hole (if true)."

Means nothing. Gotta prove it, before it's a hole. If true, then it's a hole. Until then, it's a sensationalist claim on an internet blog, nothing more.

169 posted on 06/27/2010 12:30:15 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: for-q-clinton; RightOnTheLeftCoast

Guys, I gotta run for a few hours, have a good time, I’ll catch back up later.... cheers!


170 posted on 06/27/2010 12:32:24 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast
Nothing of interest, if I'm right.

nothing of interest to you or to a "spy"? I honestly don't know. Are you saying these are default folders but never have any data? But if they have any meaningful data I'd say it's of interest.

What if a boyfriend wants to see what photos his girlfriend has been taking? What if you want to see what photos your neighbor has been taking...and you find photos of your wife nakes? Is that not signficant?

I don't even know if that's possible, but it appears the DCIM adn photos folders are public so that's not a good thing at all.

171 posted on 06/27/2010 12:32:52 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast
Nothing of interest, if I'm right.

nothing of interest to you or to a "spy"? I honestly don't know. Are you saying these are default folders but never have any data? But if they have any meaningful data I'd say it's of interest.

What if a boyfriend wants to see what photos his girlfriend has been taking? What if you want to see what photos your neighbor has been taking...and you find photos of your wife naked? Is that not signficant?

I don't even know if that's possible, but it appears the DCIM adn photos folders are public so that's not a good thing at all.

172 posted on 06/27/2010 12:32:59 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast

BTW: here’s an older article about iOS needing full device encryption. The point of it is that for the enterprise any unauthorized access is very very very bad.

http://searchmobilecomputing.techtarget.com/news/1324084/iPhone-encryption-is-a-must-for-the-security-conscious-enterprise


173 posted on 06/27/2010 12:43:28 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: itsahoot
In any case, Apple users by and large just want to hear useful information and be left alone. We have always been more than willing to freely share our expertise and problem solving tips through Users Groups, that never charged a dime for anything, maybe that is the real beef that PC IT guys have with Apple.

I don't know exactly what their motivation is. I have noticed though, that many of the stong microsoft partisans are unable to distinguish the difference between posting comments about a company, operating system, or program and personal attacks directly at users of other products. If it was just factual statements, positive or negative about issues, products or whatever, that's one thing. It's the constant drumbeat of insults that I'm sick and tired of. You won't hardly find a thread here on FR that is about Apple, or its products where you won't find the same people calling Mac users gay, macbots, cultists,  leftists, or worse. You simply don't see that on ms-windows thereads.Yes, you'll find people saying that windows is a virus-laden steaming pile of bovine excrement, but we don't call the users of windows products fools or idiots for continuing to use something that most of us have, thankfully, escaped from.

I'll issue a formal Mea Culpa for allowing myself on a recent thread to get dragged down to their level and responded in kind. This is basically why I decided to finally deploy my filter against them because I'm better than that, and I do not believe such behavior is appropriate to Free Republic. Unfortunately, the powers that be still haven't noticed the difference. for reasons I belive I've already stated.

174 posted on 06/27/2010 12:48:31 PM PDT by zeugma (Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam)
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To: for-q-clinton

I’ll try to find a good guide to the iPhone file system.

Meanwhile, here’s an interesting post from an Ubuntu forum two years ago, before Ubuntu could mount the iPhone:

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http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=627267

Okay, so, looks like the deal is that apple decided to use a custom, non-exposed method of managing files on the device rather than just mounting it as a mass storage device.

They created windows and mac libraries (libmobiledevice.so) to allow software to interact with the iPhone FS, which on a non-jailbroken device is restricted to the media folder.

There are Mac and Windows projects which use aforementioned library to allow file management, but as there is no library for linux yet, we’re somewhat stuck.

The good news: there is a project working on a FUSE module to allow mounting an iPhone under linux without jailbreak/ssh/etc. http://matt.colyer.name/projects/iph...itle=Main_Page

He’s currently working on reverse engineering USB traces to figure out the protocol libmobiledevice uses to talk to the device, so that he can create an equivalent library for linux. Once that’s done, he can use the library and fuse to allow mounting the FS.

So, Apple decided to use a custom, proprietary protocol for which they released windows and mac drivers, but left us out in the cold (typical). In (typical) Linux fashion, some people are working on fixing that, and we should watch and wait for now, or better yet, get involved: if you can dual boot or run a VM, contribute to their efforts by sending in USB traces or help reverse engineer the protocol. Putting pressure on Apple to document the protocol can’t hurt anything either.

Anyway, looks like that’s as far as this is going for now though.

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It appears that Ubuntu’s ability to access that media folder spawned from the work mentioned in this post. Do note that bit about “restricted to the media folder”... matches my interpretation.

Meanwhile, http://www.libimobiledevice.org/ is instructive, as this is the actual library used by Ubuntu. Note this comment: “27.05.2010: Some security sites report that even passcode enabled devices get auto-mounted. We could not reproduce this yet. However it might point at some bug during boot in the iPhone OS. Accessing a passcode enabled device the first time does not work in our tests as one would expect. Devices taking more time booting might be affected though, on any OS.”

...I interpret that as reflecting back on the race-condition bug I originally thought was the problem Pug was barking about! WhatEVer... [grin]


175 posted on 06/27/2010 1:41:51 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast (Obama: running for re-election in '12 or running for Mahdi now? [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi])
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To: dayglored

Here’s another post suggesting that the misbehavior relates to the boot/race-condition bug: http://blog.sukimashita.com/2010/05/29/passcode-security-flaw-update-its-a-bug-in-the-iphone-os-not-a-hack-of-ubuntulinux/


176 posted on 06/27/2010 1:52:12 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast (Obama: running for re-election in '12 or running for Mahdi now? [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi])
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast; PugetSoundSoldier

Looks like many of the macbots will be upset with your finding. If this is in fact a bug and not a feature it means the iPhone has been exploited in the wild.

If it was a feature it would be a weak feature by not putting security first; however, at least then it was a conscience decision to do so. As a bug it means the underlying OS wasn’t inherently secure as many have claimed in the past.


177 posted on 06/27/2010 2:03:56 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: for-q-clinton
"BTW: here’s an older article about iOS needing full device encryption."

Yes, that article is indeed old; it relates to the old 3G model. 3GS integrated hardware encryption to address issues like this and to comply with typical Exchange configuration requirements (which Android can't).

The media folder is decrypted when mounted by a connected computer. Currently (although I can't speak of iOS 4, with its updates) it seems that under some circumstances there is no PIN required to mount the media folder, which includes the user's photographs. In this way the iPhone behaves as an iPod or a digital camera does, at least in those circumstances. As of this moment I don't believe anything else of potential interest to an enemy (such as emails) is exposed even in the worst case, at least in a non-jailbroken iPhone. The screen-snaps that show no /usr, /var or similar folders support that comforting notion. Meanwhile, there is some reason to suspect that the race-condition fix I noted may indeed relate to this behavior and if so was fixed in iOS 4.
178 posted on 06/27/2010 2:06:50 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast (Obama: running for re-election in '12 or running for Mahdi now? [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi])
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast
Yes, that article is indeed old; it relates to the old 3G model. 3GS integrated hardware encryption to address issues like this and to comply with typical Exchange configuration requirements (which Android can't).

Actually, it can; there is software encryption available for Android to encrypt e-mail, select files, directories, or everything. Android can be locked down as strongly as desired. I've mentioned this to you before, I hope this time you actually get it.

179 posted on 06/27/2010 3:04:16 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
"Android can be locked down as strongly as desired."

Not as strongly as required by most corporate Exchange implementations, which specifically require hardware encryption to enable fast remote-wipe among other things. Apple learned this when it initially implemented software encryption in iPhoneOS 3. Gotta be hardware. I'm not arguing that the resulting encryption is any "better," only that it doesn't meet the criteria met by Blackberry and iPhone 3GS-4.

I hope this time you actually get it, too.
180 posted on 06/27/2010 3:11:07 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast (Obama: running for re-election in '12 or running for Mahdi now? [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi])
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