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To: sarasota; BillyBoy; chicagolady; Dr. Sivana; Graybeard58; Impy; BlackElk; PhilCollins; TitansAFC; ..

*IL Politics Ping*

Here’s the call: Time for Kirk to step aside.


18 posted on 06/14/2010 1:06:34 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Amber Lamps !"~~)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Lying piece of RINO trash.


19 posted on 06/14/2010 1:08:51 PM PDT by darkangel82 (I don't have a superiority complex, I'm just better than you.)
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To: 1010RD; fieldmarshaldj
From the article:

I do not ascribe to the "Republican right or wrong" mantra.

Neither do I and evidently, I'm not alone.

23 posted on 06/14/2010 1:36:51 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (No Romney,No Mark Kirk (Illinois), not now, not ever!)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; Lurker; Daniel T. Zanoza; Impy; PhilCollins; Graybeard58; Nonstatist
The argument that “if Illinois Republicans wanted a conservative, they would have nominated one” is a red herring. Check the election history of the last couple U.S. Senate primaries in Illinois. Until recently, the conservative outsider nearly always won over the establishment backed candidate. Going back to ‘96 (Al Salvi vs. Bob Kustra), ‘98 (Peter Fitzgerald vs. Loleta Dickerson), ‘02 (Jim Durkin vs. Hastert-backed Jim Oberweis, running as a pro-choice “moderate” back then), ‘04 ( Jack Ryan vs. Jim Oberweis & a whole bunch of other also-runs, with the “moderate”, General John Borling, in 5th place).

This changed the last two election cycles because the establishment changed the game. Sick of losing to the GOP grassroots in hotly contested primaries, they decided to rig the game and clear the field for the RINO.

In 2008 and 2010 all the leading party elites endorsed the “chosen” RINO from the moment he announced, and threatened and bullied any viable conservative with a base and money out of the race to “clear the field” of everyone but little known up-and-comers they couldn't blackmail. In both 2008 and 2010, they sent out bulk emails, snail mail, and web ads during the primary implying their anointed RINO was the ONLY Republican candidate running against the scary Democrat (and implying he had already won the nomination), conning conservatives into donating to the RINO in the primary under false pretenses. The state party officials openly lent party resources to the anointed RINO and took care of the statewide infrastructure of his candidacy, making sure he stayed on script and keeping him the hell away from any open forums where he would have to debate his primary challengers or discuss his platform to conservatives.

Again, this only started in 2008. Prior to 2008, the establishment RINO had to appear at public forums and debate his opponents, and run his campaign with his own resources.

Given the circumstances of these crooked “primaries”, it's not surprising that “Illinois Republican voters” suddenly started nominating RINOs.

Conservatives always share some of the blame in that the conservative base here is hopelessly fractured and often backs multiple candidates in a primary, but even in a one-and-one race, we're handicapped by the combine.

In fact, the ONLY reason we now have a decent conservative as our nominee for Governor is the establishment focused so much time on clearing the playing field for Kirk's Senate bid that they neglected to intervene in the Governor's race and decide on a consensus combiner. They split their support among three establishment-approved choices (State Senator Kirk Dillard, IL GOP Chairman Andy McKenna, former Att. Gen. Jim Ryan) Our side was just as fractured and voted for three different conservative outsiders (Bill Brady, Dan Proft, Adam Andrejewski). Brady was the only downstate candidate and won by 500 votes thanks to a regional advantage. I'll be the first to admit I voted and campaigned for Brady but he wasn't expected to be the nominee and won via a fluke. Fortunately, he's now extremely likely to be our next Governor.

In fact, Brady's double-digit lead proves once again that all the pro-RINO party officials and their apologists claiming that Kirk-style RINOs are “the best we can get” in Illinois are wrong. You don't “have to” run to the left of many card-carrying Democrats to be “electable” in this state. Illinois Republicans may be hopelessly inept in this state and always lose to the Chicago machine, but that doesn't prove the voters “want” socialism.

Kirk is out-of-touch with mainstream American values, and he's proven to be a liar and fraud to boot. If he had any dignity, he's withdraw from the race.

34 posted on 06/14/2010 5:22:40 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; BillyBoy; chicagolady; Impy
Fox News literally just had a story that the Pentagon twice warned Kirk to not do political work while on active duty.

If Fox is going after him you know he is toast!

How the hell do we get a replacement (NO THIRD PARTY!!!). Is there any stature for recall? I don't know the rules and regulations of the combine but this guy is starting to get sleazier by the day.

Once again Billy and Fieldmarshaldj thank you both for opening my eyes, from now on I am going to try and be more informed before jumping on a bandwagon.

35 posted on 06/15/2010 7:13:31 AM PDT by Dengar01 (Go Blackhawks!!!)
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