Posted on 06/03/2010 2:39:32 PM PDT by BobMcCartyWrites
How does it go?
A veteran is anyone who at some point in their life wrote a check to the United States, redeemable for any amount, up to and including their life...
Or something to that effect...
Mhm. I don't think I do. In fact, I'm not sure how anything you've said, is counter to what I posted.
The difference between the active duty and Air Guard pilots is plainly self-evident. The Air Guard pilots weren't activated. Most were flying CAP during hastily called annual training periods, or they were exhausting monthly drill requirements. Had they been federally activated, and served 180 days of continuous service, those days would have counted EXACTLY like the days served by their active duty counterparts.
THen of course there is the strange case of “Gunny” French - an Alaskan of many strange claims.....
His bio includes this:
Private, United States Marine Corps Reserve Platoon Leaders Course, 1977-1978.
Where he attended a 6 week “summer camp” designed to try and get college kids to join up in ROTC.
As I understand things, he was “invited to leave”.
Is he a Vet?
Now that you mention it, I remember that 180 days in active duty rule to be eligible for benefits. An 18 year old kid in my boot camp company had a heart attack (mild) after a 2.5 mile run and they kept him in a holding company until he had been in for 181 days so he could get a medical discharge. But I didn’t know it applied if you considered yourself a veteran or not.
“Veteran status” is, according to multiple online government sources (Hint: Search “Determining veteran status”), reserved for a person who served in the active military, naval, or air service, and who was discharged or released therefrom under conditions other than dishonorable. Reservists do not necessarily.
“Veteran status” is, according to multiple online government sources (Hint: Search “Determining veteran status”), reserved for a person who served in the active military, naval, or air service, and who was discharged or released therefrom under conditions other than dishonorable. Reservists do not necessarily.
“Veteran status” is, according to multiple online government sources (Hint: Search “Determining veteran status”), reserved for a person who served in the active military, naval, or air service, and who was discharged or released therefrom under conditions other than dishonorable. Reservists do not necessarily.
As a 28 year veteran, I consider a reservist or guardsman who satisfactorily completed their service to be a veteran.
Unless he tries to get a VA loan or care at a VA hospital, you need to find a real issue with this guy. There appear to be plenty.
Reservists who have served honorably on active duty establish veteran status and may therefore be eligible for VA benefits, depending on the length of active military service and other eligibility factors. In addition, reservists who are never called to active duty may qualify for some VA benefits.
When eligibility is based solely on reserve or guard service, the individual must have completed at least six years of honorable service. Eligibility may also be established if an individual was released prior to six years service due to a service-connected disability.
Sorry, you are 100% wrong. Where are you getting your information from, or are you making it up?
Guard pilots were activated for up to one year tours for Operation Noble Eagle but were placed under Title 32 status. They were NOT doing monthly drills or annual training periods.
Don't embarrass yourself any farther than you have so far. You are in the Terry McAuliffe school of military cluelessness.
You must have voted for John Kerry with your bizarre notion regarding Guard and Reserve forces.
Guardsmen and Reservists are veterans. Period. Stop demeaning their service.
No sweetie. I'm not making it up. I spent 25 years as a active duty JAG. How about you?
What part of federal activation don't you understand?
If they are activated as part of a federal mission, then they were called up under Title 10. If they were placed under full time Guard status (Title 32), which is permissible under certain Homeland Security roles, those billets are paid by the State and those Guardsman are NOT under federal control, they're under state control. It's either a federal call up or it's a state call up. It's that simple. If they aren't on active duty, they're on Full Time Guard Duty.
Well that explains your ignorance - an active duty JAG hasn't a clue about how the Guard works - and I got 9 years on top of your 25.
"If they were placed under full time Guard status (Title 32), which is permissible under certain Homeland Security roles, those billets are paid by the State"
Wrong. Title 32 time is federally funded, but as an active duty JAG, you wouldn't know that. As an operational type, who had to deal with those appropriations, and sign the orders, I know them quite well. And state duty is entirely a separate category than Title 10 or Title 32. It is when the governor calls them up exclusively for some state contingency - a riot, a hurricane, a flood. It is totally state funded.
"It' either a federal call up or it's a state call up. It's that simple. If they aren't on active duty, they're on Full Time Guard Duty."
There is no such thing as "Full Time Guard Duty".
To sum up, yes, you were an active duty JAG, and it shows.
Ah, yeah. ./s From the ARNG Fact Sheet ...
Title 32 Full-Time National Guard Duty. “Full-time National Guard duty” means training or other duty, other than inactive duty, performed by a member of the National Guard. Title 32 allows the Governor, with the approval of the President or the Secretary of Defense, to order a member to duty for operational HLD activities IAW the United States Code (USC)
How about that? There it is, in black & white. Maybe the ARNG doesn't know what they're talking about. You should square them away.
Wrong. Title 32 time is federally funded, but as an active duty JAG, you wouldn't know that
Oh, it may be partially or eve fully funded by the fedgov, but it's paid by the state.
Again, from the same document...
"The key to state active service is that Federal Law provides the Governor with the ability to place a soldier in a full-time duty status under the command and control of the State but directly funded with Federal dollars. Even though this duty status is authorized by Federal statute, this section is a statutory exception to the Posse Comitatus Act; the Governor may use the Guard in a law enforcement capacity; and the chain of command rests within the State."
These people are idiots. They need your "expertise".
It is frustrating dealing with you “experts” who have never dealt with the Guard.
The paragraph you cite is a new provision that was enacted after 9-11 to allow the ARNG and ANG to serve in homeland defense missions with necessary federal funding and yet allow the members to remain under a governor’s command and control. These missions included airborne air defense, inspections and law enforcement support at airports, missile batteries around key target areas.
As such, these members were thus exempted from Posse Comitatus restraints imposed on Title 10 active duty members. When implemented, it immediately caused problems in the areas of pay, benefits, retirement credits that required some fine tuning.
The “Full Time” you refer to is to differentiate from drill status, not to designate Title 10 active duty status. This “full time” could be anywhere from one day to more than a year, depending on the orders.
Look guys, give it up. You never had to deal with these things. Leave it to those who did.
And Hare is a veteran, whether you like it or not.
End of discussion.
I am a veteran, oldbill, and the “Veteran status” is, according to multiple online government sources (Hint: Search “Determining veteran status”), reserved for a person who served in the active military, naval, or air service, and who was discharged or released therefrom under conditions other than dishonorable. Reservists do not necessarily qualify.
They are ONLY IF they serve on active duty for a prescribed number of days. Hare did not!
I must be missing something because when I was in, every reservist had to serve 180 days straight between the time they joined and when they actually went on reserve status.
If some how you didn’t(UA/AWOL) then your enlistment contract was invalid.
There is a big difference between veteran status as defined for getting VA benefits and veteran status in reality.
The original laws denying VA BENEFITS, not status, was drawn up in the 50’s. It was an accounting gimmick, and had nothing to do with “are you a veteran?”. Reservists at that time had a six year obligation, with six months of active duty required for initial and follow-on training before return to drilling status, then inactive status for the final two years.
By setting 180 days as the qualifying time for BENEFITS, they were able to exclude benefits for reservists. They later added conditions that defined “active duty for training” (ACDUTRA) as non qualifying days, because some reservists initial training could be almost two years, e.g. pilot training. It got really ridiculous during the Vietnam War when Guardsmen and reservist put in for voluntary tours in Vietnam. Combat tours, with combat pay and real combat dangers. The bean counters would deliberately publish orders for 179 days to keep these COMBAT VETERANS from qualifying for any VA benefits. If they got killed, by the definitions of the days, they couldn't even qualify for Arlington burial without waivers being obtained.
A lot of this has since been changed. The 180 day rule is changed. Many reservists today, especially aircrew, may only deploy for 6 weeks or 90 days to a combat zone, but now they have coverage, and are, finally, considered veterans. Sorry McCarty - Hare may be scum, but he is a veteran, as is usmcobra.
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