[patlin]

These books are great for understanding what the founders read, but until it is found in historical debate papers from 1787-1789, it won't change the debate.

I have come to believe that while we should study history & our country's founding, YHVH placed Obama in office for a reason...to test the virtues of men who claim to be children of HIS. Unfortunately they all have failed HIS test and I will not vote for another, even if that means leaving my ballot blank other than to vote on issues. The only person I could vote for in any future election must show the virtue of our founders and right now, not one of them has an ounce of it in them.

[Godebert]

Well said.

[frog in a pot]

These books are great for understanding what the founders read, but until it is found in historical debate papers from 1787-1789, it won't change the debate.

Quite true, and I would add as long as the debate remains open - which is the desire of O operatives - the outcome is uncertain. A simple analogy here is repetitive ballot counting, newly discovered ballots, etc.

IMO, the controlling fact is what the ratifiers understood the language to mean when they signed the Constitution. In that regard, the Minor decision provides the answer.

(Although I would have the Geo Washington letters provided by DL elsewhere a few days ago stacked on the counsel's table - that was the future president talking to the future ratifiers!)

[bushpilot1]

My hunch it will be located in a scribbling on a book..a letter..a note..a manuscript.

It could be located in Nugents manuscript when he (MAY have) translated the 1797 edition published after his death. I say may because Jefferson could have translated the 1797.

Its there.