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No Proof (Obama birth certificate investigation)Part II of an investigative series
Canada Free Press ^ | April 30, 2010 | Doug Hagmann

Posted on 04/30/2010 2:25:36 PM PDT by Smokeyblue

Part II of an investigative series

In the first part of this investigative report, background was provided to identify the core legal and constitutional arguments in the matter of Barack Hussein OBAMA II’s eligibility to hold the office of President of the United States. Using my investigative experience, I performed this investigation in compliance with the same “industry standards” that apply to performing background investigations of individuals selected for corporate positions by Fortune 100 companies.

As noted in my initial report, the primary intent of this investigation has been to establish whether Barack Hussein OBAMA has indeed furnished the necessary proof to confirm his eligibility to assume the position of the President of the United States, and whether that proof has been properly authenticated. In other words, this investigation sought to determine whether there are any legitimate questions or concerns over the eligibility issue, or whether the matter has been sufficiently resolved. Or to put it yet another way, is there a legitimate reason to mock, belittle, marginalize, or otherwise consider the so-called “Birthers” as kooks living on the fringe of conspiracy?

(Excerpt) Read more at canadafreepress.com ...


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KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; certifigate; dncarebirthers; naturalborncitizen; obama; rinoantibirthers; rinobirthers
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To: Mr Rogers

Who cares if the Brits changed their law? American law trumps British law. Period. I am beginning to wonder if some of the birthers also think that the American revolution was illegal because it rejected British law! Again, the birther argument are getting sillier and only serve to undermine the case against BO.


21 posted on 04/30/2010 3:14:46 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Captain Kirk
P.S. I didn't say bammie wasn't a Citizen (if he was in fact born here) the issue is that he is not a NBC i.e. having two parents who are Citizens.

Your argument is moot.

22 posted on 04/30/2010 3:16:50 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("Because without America, there is no free world" - Canada Free Press - MSM, where are you?)
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To: jamese777

We have NO IDEA where this man was born.

Don’t waste my time.

I don’t expect anyone to address the obvious fraud in the white house.

The die is cast, and the game will play.


23 posted on 04/30/2010 3:17:11 PM PDT by chris37
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To: Las Vegas Ron

A citizen, yes....but NOT a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.


24 posted on 04/30/2010 3:17:15 PM PDT by newfreep (Palin/DeMint 2012 - Bolton: Secy of State)
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To: newfreep
A citizen, yes....but NOT a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.

Such a simple concept yet lost on so many *sigh*

25 posted on 04/30/2010 3:19:15 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("Because without America, there is no free world" - Canada Free Press - MSM, where are you?)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Neither Spiro Agnew nor Michael Dukakis had parents who were both citizens. It is odd that NOBODY made this argument against them. The birthers are invented their own law simply becaue they hate BO. Not enough a good reason.


26 posted on 04/30/2010 3:21:16 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Mr Rogers

WKA?

LOL, you’re still trying to ride that horse?

She was put away wet a long time ago.


27 posted on 04/30/2010 3:21:23 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("Because without America, there is no free world" - Canada Free Press - MSM, where are you?)
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To: Captain Kirk

First, we’re not debating them nor are they sitting POTUS’s

Secondly, Dukakis’s parents were natualized before he was born, same with Agnew...nice try.


28 posted on 04/30/2010 3:23:09 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("Because without America, there is no free world" - Canada Free Press - MSM, where are you?)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Odd. I thought it was still a SCOTUS decision...and was cited in Indiana’s decision.


29 posted on 04/30/2010 3:24:56 PM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: Mr Rogers
You can cite Indiana's Appellate decision all you want, it doesn't override previous SCOTUS decisions defining NBC.

Your desperation has become blatantly obvious the last couple of weeks, you rehash the same crap over and over and over.

See ya.

30 posted on 04/30/2010 3:41:38 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("Because without America, there is no free world" - Canada Free Press - MSM, where are you?)
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To: Smokeyblue

The more we are exposed to BHO the more the truth is just a lie that remains undiscovered. For me, the issue has been whether or not he as natural born or not. It is my opinion, based on nothing more than the great amount of legal resources he has devoted to it, that he really does not want the public to see the real birth certificate. The reason must be that it will tell us the name of his biological father and it is a name that will cause him political harm. It certainly will cause him more than $1 million in harm or else he would not have spent more than that on the legal team.

But just consider all the documents with inconvenient information on them and how many people in how many different offices who have had access to them since BHO became a Senator. All it would take is one leak.

It is not the crime, it is the coverup.

While of course I am open to any credible explanation, Jack Cashill has opined that BHO’s biological father is Frank Marshall Davis, a self-admitted communist and subversive. If so, BHO is truly a synthetic man, for not even what you see is what is really there. He is a virtual man for the plastic reality of liberalism.

Woe to the republic for such a multi-level fraud. May the public have righteous anger and a long memory.


31 posted on 04/30/2010 3:51:23 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: Las Vegas Ron

I cited the Supreme Court decision. You disagree with it, but have no contrary decision to point to in defining NBC.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0169_0649_ZO.html


32 posted on 04/30/2010 3:55:57 PM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: Captain Kirk

If 0bama is a natural born citizen, then why has he gone to great lengths to hide his birth certificate?


33 posted on 04/30/2010 3:58:49 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (The 0bama regime represents an "Clear and Present Danger" to the US - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
Such a simple concept yet lost on so many

It's deliberate ignorance. *sigh2*

34 posted on 04/30/2010 4:00:53 PM PDT by ASA Vet (Iran should have ceased to exist Nov 5, 1979, but we had no president then either.)
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To: Captain Kirk

Don't be daft. A dual-citizen is not eligible to be POTUS unless living at the time the Constitution was adopted. "No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;"


35 posted on 04/30/2010 4:03:40 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: Smokeyblue
This discrepancy was also addressed in an article written by Canada Free Press columnist JB Williams on 24 April 2010. In that article, Mr. Williams accurately described the difference in documents:

“Note that the language which certifies that Barack Hussein Obama meets all constitutional qualifications is missing in the DNC documents filed in 49 of the 50 states. The certification of constitutional qualification for the office of president was filed only in Hawaii. That text is missing in the DNC certification filings for all other states.”

“Whereas the RNC filed the exact same certification document, including the constitutional text for John McCain in all 50 states, Obama was technically certified in only one state, Hawaii.”

SAY WHAT?

36 posted on 04/30/2010 4:10:12 PM PDT by fightinJAG (Sic semper tyrannis! Stop spending. Starve the beast.)
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To: Mr Rogers; ez
“As the President is required to be a native citizen of the United States…. Natives are all persons born within the jurisdiction and allegiance of the United States.”

Operative words: "and allegiance".

If a person received citizenship in another country at birth from his father, the argument is that his "allegiance," as that term of law was understood at the time, was to that foreign country. This is exactly what the Founding Fathers wanted to avoid -- e.g., a French prince fathering a son with an American, making the son a French citizen as well, and the son later taking power over the United States as President, while a French citizen by birth.

37 posted on 04/30/2010 4:15:04 PM PDT by fightinJAG (Sic semper tyrannis! Stop spending. Starve the beast.)
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To: Captain Kirk
It is not disputed that a person born in the United States is not a citizen of the United States, but if he had the right to elect, he must have had something to choose between. He was native born because he was born in this country, and he is now a native born citizen because he is now a citizen of this country; but, had he been a “natural born” citizen, he would not have had the right to choose between this country and England; he would have had nothing to choose between; he would have owed his sole allegiance to the government of the United States, and there would have been no possible question, whether he found himself in the United States or in any other country in the world, that he would be called upon to show allegiance to any Government but that of the United States.

ML/NJ

38 posted on 04/30/2010 4:17:12 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: fightinJAG
Incorrect.

From the SCOTUS decision previously linked to:

"II. The fundamental principle of the common law with regard to English nationality was birth within the allegiance, also called "ligealty," "obedience," "faith," or "power" of the King. The principle embraced all persons born within the King's allegiance and subject to his protection. Such allegiance and protection were mutual -- as expressed in the maxim protectio trahit subjectionem, et subjectio protectionem -- and were not restricted to natural-born subjects and naturalized subjects, or to those who had taken an oath of allegiance, but were predicable of aliens in amity so long as they were within the kingdom. Children, born in England, of such aliens were therefore natural-born subjects. But the children, born within the realm, of foreign ambassadors, or the children of alien enemies, born during and within their hostile occupation of part of the King's dominions, were not natural-born subjects because not born within the allegiance, the obedience, or the power, or, as would be said at this day, within the jurisdiction, of the King."

39 posted on 04/30/2010 4:17:40 PM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: ml/nj

See post 39...the Supreme Court disagrees with you.

FWIW - if it were up to me, you would be right, but I don’t get to define legal terms. The SCOTUS back in the 1800s disagreed with us both on what the term means...


40 posted on 04/30/2010 4:19:28 PM PDT by Mr Rogers
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