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New Revelations On Polish Air Disaster Heighten Suspicions
Conservative Examiner ^ | 4/16/2010 | Anthony G. Martin

Posted on 04/16/2010 3:56:16 PM PDT by Welshman007

Late today, however, new revelations indicate that there is much more suspicion among the former Soviet block nations than initially reported. This new information also points to unreported facts concerning the disaster that could further implicate Russia.

According to Global Analysis, the President of Georgia, the former Soviet block country that Russia invaded in 2008, stated the following:

President Mikheil Saakashvili of Georgia has stated on a CNN interview that quote 'something incredibly evil was involved here' without elaborating or explaining what he was implying. The interview can be seen at this link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycj2CCkDx3s.

The segment of the new information that is raising eyebrows is the fact that the 25-year-old aircraft had undergone a complete overhaul in southern Russia:

SUSPICIOUS TIMING AND OVERHAUL THE OLD SOVIET TU-154 Moreover the timing of this ‘planned accident’ is highly suspicious. For starters, the 25-year-old aircraft had undergone a complete overhaul at a factory in southern Russia late last year, being delivered to the Polish authorities in December 2009.

This makes a planned malfunction likely, especially given that the Katyn massacre ceremony, to be held 70 years after the atrocity, was of course ‘known in advance’.

But perhaps the most alarming revelation of all is in this report cited above, which states the following:

(Excerpt) Read more at examiner.com ...


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: kgb; poland; polishaircrash; russia
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1 posted on 04/16/2010 3:56:17 PM PDT by Welshman007
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To: Welshman007

I would be more suspicious if Russia had given them a 25 year old plane, and HADN’T done a complete overhaul.

It would be totally irresponsible not to.


2 posted on 04/16/2010 4:07:04 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: Welshman007

I’m not surprised.


3 posted on 04/16/2010 4:07:27 PM PDT by FreeManWhoCan ("I like dogs better than I like most people.")
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To: Welshman007

Excerpted:

*Observers on the ground report hearing an explosion in the air prior to the crash.

*Contrary to the official news from Russia that the plane landed in ‘dense fog,’ witnesses in the area state that skies were blue and crystal clear.

*The pilot reported having difficulty with some of the equipment in the cockpit.

*The terrain in the area of the crash makes it impossible for the plane to have ‘cut off the tops of trees’ before it crashed, as the official report claims.

This intelligence report also discusses a probable rationale for the massacre, if indeed it turns out that the crash was an act of sabotage by the Russian government


Video 5 minutes after crash:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frgKTW3jm_Y
(Fog or Smoke?)


4 posted on 04/16/2010 4:10:30 PM PDT by historyrepeatz
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To: Welshman007

THE REAL FACT: Had the pilot regarded the weather conditions and decided it was unsafe (and stupid) to land there and gone on to an alternate airport, they would all be alive.


5 posted on 04/16/2010 4:11:01 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: UCANSEE2

Thanks for the insight, Comrade Putin.


6 posted on 04/16/2010 4:13:22 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: Welshman007

I doubt we will get many details as the NTSB is not assisting with the investigation.


7 posted on 04/16/2010 4:18:07 PM PDT by bergmeid (Fumigate Washington NOW)
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To: Welshman007
There goes the missile shield. How convenient for both Puten and Oboma. How inconvenient for Israel.
8 posted on 04/16/2010 4:18:58 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: UCANSEE2

It is in Georgia’s interest to poke at Russia.


9 posted on 04/16/2010 4:21:29 PM PDT by Carley (I'll keep clinging to the constitution, my guns and my religion, thank you.)
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To: Welshman007

NO KIDDING.


10 posted on 04/16/2010 4:21:51 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: historyrepeatz
Fog or smoke? That's not the question. The question is why are there four distinct gun shots on that 1:24 long video?

After the first shot the videographer says. "F^^^ ME!" then repeats it after the fourth shot. By then the old guy who walked in with him is sliding away from the shooters. At 1:03 you can see two guys in dark clothes moving through the wreckage about sixty yards away. They're moving left to right in the right quadrant.

btw...the reports said thick fog - visibility zero. Sure doesn't look that way to me.

11 posted on 04/16/2010 4:27:50 PM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: buccaneer81

As much as I think the Russians benefited from this, and that it may have been one of their wildest dreams, PUTIN was not in the pilot’s seat.

I find it odd that Freepers, who know for a fact that the American MSM lies to us daily, takes the word of the Russian government controlled media.

So far:

It was foggy. It wasn’t foggy.
The plane was on course. The plane was off course.
The plane crashed a mile away from the airport. The plane crashed just short of the runway.
The plane landed the first time it tried. The plane had aborted the first 4 attempts.

You believe Putin ordered this as a hit, because they want you to. It is possible.

BUT, had the pilot decided safety was the prime concern, and requested to land at another airport, they would still be alive. This is true, is it not?

Remember, according to the same ‘stories’, one plane had landed, although with difficulty. Another had aborted it’s attempt.

Are those things true? If so, then there were ‘weather conditions’ that needed to be considered. Especially at that airport.


12 posted on 04/16/2010 4:50:56 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: UCANSEE2
BUT, had the pilot decided safety was the prime concern, and requested to land at another airport, they would still be alive. This is true, is it not?

I would love to hear the altimeter settings given to the plane from ATC. Could be they were "off" a bit.

13 posted on 04/16/2010 4:59:03 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: UCANSEE2
THE REAL FACT: Had the pilot regarded the weather conditions and decided it was unsafe (and stupid) to land there and gone on to an alternate airport, they would all be alive.

THE REAL REAL FACT: At the 45 second mark of the video (linked in Post #4) the camera pans very quickly to the left to show an absence of fog and a clear blue sky. There is no evidence of any fog in any video that I have seen. There were no conditions to avoid thus no need to make an alternate landing.

14 posted on 04/16/2010 5:11:23 PM PDT by torchthemummy ("About everything we do around here is government intrusion in people's lives." Ray LaHood)
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To: UCANSEE2
As much as I think the Russians benefited from this...

Did they? I haven't heard how.

You're right in deferring judgment lest this go off to Trutherland.

15 posted on 04/16/2010 5:15:37 PM PDT by decimon
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To: Welshman007
This makes a planned malfunction likely, especially given that the Katyn massacre ceremony, to be held 70 years after the atrocity, was of course ‘known in advance’.

Possible? Yes. Likely? No. There are no new revelations here and just wild speculation based on nothing. We have known there were upgrades to the plane. Happens all the time. Just because Russia did the mods means nothing. This crap that the "Russians" did it is nonsense until there is evidence and I doubt there will be any. The "Russians" could have found much easier ways to take out any of these people without having their fingerprints all over it.

16 posted on 04/16/2010 6:54:42 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: plain talk

Besides that, I don’t think there is any thing in the world that would interest the Pols into going back under the russians shprere of influence.


17 posted on 04/16/2010 7:00:54 PM PDT by Always Independent
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To: decimon
Did they? I haven't heard how.

Turk, who had recent meetings with Obama and Putin, just prior to the crash, is now President.

Most of the Polish Administration who were resistant to Russian policies, are now gone.

18 posted on 04/16/2010 7:47:55 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: torchthemummy
There is no evidence of any fog in any video that I have seen. There were no conditions to avoid thus no need to make an alternate landing.

Then why was the pilot unable to see the runway or the trees?

19 posted on 04/16/2010 7:52:05 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: buccaneer81
I would love to hear the altimeter settings given to the plane from ATC. Could be they were "off" a bit.

Could be.

However, the pilot had landed that same plane at the same airport within a day or so of the crash. He would have known what was correct, and besides, the ATC doesn't tell you what to do with your altimeter.

20 posted on 04/16/2010 7:54:47 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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