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ARE WE SURE IT WAS AN ACCIDENT?
boblonsberry.com ^ | 04/12/10 | Bob Lonsberry

Posted on 04/12/2010 6:06:15 AM PDT by shortstop

Has anyone thought that maybe the Russians did it?

This plane crash over the weekend, the one that killed the Polish president and decapitated the Polish government, are we completely sure it was an accident?

Because, if it was, it was an accident that did the Russians a lot of good. And if it wasn’t an accident, it fits right in with Russian ambitions for renewed empire.

No, I’m not a conspiracy nut and, yes, I did grow up during the Cold War and, yes, I do believe Reagan got it right when he called them an Evil Empire.

And, yes, if I was the president of the United States, or of some European nation, I would be nervous.

Here’s the history and the situation.

Russia has been a nation and culture bent on conquest for centuries. It has repeatedly through time dominated, invaded or conquered any number of peoples and countries across portions of Europe and Asia. The Soviet Union, the last such Russian empire, collapsed less than a generation ago because of pressure from the United States, inherent defects of socialism and communism, bankruptcy and a thirst for independence among its chattel states.

With Poland in the lead.

It was the Poles who first effectively stood up to Russian communism. That resistance was one point in a long and savage history of Russian oppression of Poland. Ironically, but maybe not coincidentally, the Polish leaders flying to Russia over the weekend were doing so to commemorate the anniversary of a Russian attempt to decapitate the Polish government and society. Allied with Hitler early in the Second World War, the Russians gathered together more than 20,000 officers of the Polish army and systematically killed them all. It was an attempt at cultural and national genocide, hoping to strip Polish society of its leaders and thereby render Poland easier to conquer.

It worked, and there’s a part of me that wonders if Russia has tried it again.

Because Russia clearly wants back the nations it held captive during the Soviet era. And it is engaged in violent conflict to get them back.

In Krygystan within the last week, for example, mobs many believe were armed and goaded by the Russians have toppled a pro-West president, trapped more than 1,000 American airman at a U.S. air base, declared alliance with Russia and called for the closing of the American base – an important military supply route to Afghanistan.

Russia is also involved in ongoing military tensions with the Republic of Georgia, tensions which include a Russian military invasion and occupation of parts of Georgia.

And then there’s Ukraine, where the president was the target of an assassination attempt – he was poisoned with dioxin – that many believe was arranged by Russian agents.

Notice the trend. Ukraine, Georgia and Krygystan were friendly to the United States. They all were once in the Soviet Union. They all have been in the targets of Russia.

Which brings us to Poland and its president.

Lech Kaczynski was pro-American. He rejected the influence of both the European Union and Russia in favor of alliance with the United States. He actively sought membership in NATO and he very much wanted to be under the umbrella of an American anti-missile shield. He wanted to be out from under the threat of Russian nuclear attack.

Kaczynski was embraced by George W. Bush but rebuffed by Barack H. Obama, and the nuclear arms-reduction treaty that Obama signed just last week with the Russians came with the public proviso that the Russians would abandon the treaty if America developed any technology to protect itself or anyone else from Russian nuclear bombs.

And now Lech Kaczynski is dead. With him are the senior commanders of the Polish military, the leader of the nation’s central bank, leaders of parliament, top businessmen and social leaders.

Poland is decapitated.

In the same town where it was decapitated 70 years before.

Poland’s pro-American leadership has been wiped out. As the last major former-Soviet vassal to want friendship with the United States, Poland’s government is gone. Like Georgia and Ukraine, it has met misfortune.

In a plane crash that was, before any sort of investigation, immediately declared the result of pilot error. The Russians have said that the Polish pilot repeatedly ignored the advice of Russian air traffic controllers and flew into trees and the ground.

That seems unlikely.

Pilots obey air traffic controllers, pilots avoid flying into the ground, it is extremely rare for a plane to crash.

And it has been more than 50 years since fog has been an impediment to modern instrument aviation.

And to top it all off, Vladimir Putin is in charge of the crash investigation. That’s the same Putin who was a career officer in the KGB and who ordered Russian troops into Georgia, and who would have ordered any attack on the Ukrainian president.

So forgive me for being suspicious.But Russia won big this weekend.

And history teaches us that that’s not usually an accident.


TOPICS: Conspiracy
KEYWORDS: 1of; blogpimp; captobvious; poland; putin; russia
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To: Pan_Yan

Thanks


21 posted on 04/12/2010 6:40:15 AM PDT by Lorica
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To: Anti-Hillary

A very good explanation of what I was saying yesterday.


22 posted on 04/12/2010 6:42:35 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the chariot wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: justa-hairyape

The plane was in Russia one week before the crash for MAINTENCE!


23 posted on 04/12/2010 6:45:17 AM PDT by WellyP
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To: Apercu

Does anyone have the pilot’s and copilot’s names? I cannot find them on the net.


24 posted on 04/12/2010 6:46:17 AM PDT by Chickensoup (HEY LEFTISTS! Reduce your Government Footprint!)
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To: Lorica

You mean have the news media that is determined to portray Obama as the perfect military leader has neglected to report that thousands (yes, now it’s in the thousands) of troops are stranded in Krygystan? Yes, it’s been ignored.


25 posted on 04/12/2010 6:46:56 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the chariot wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: apillar

Uh, unless they make it look like an accident. Right?


26 posted on 04/12/2010 6:47:52 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the chariot wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: throwback

Not to mention the now leader of Poland is a buddy of Putin’s and is Pro-Russia, anti-missile defense, anti-Israel.

Yes, I said anti-Israel.


27 posted on 04/12/2010 6:48:37 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the chariot wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: throwback

Not to mention the now leader of Poland is a buddy of Putin’s and is Pro-Russia, anti-missile defense, anti-Israel.

Yes, I said anti-Israel.

Hit post too soon, Anti-Israel as in now a member of the EUROPEAN UNION is anti-Israel which means anti-Iran sanctions?


28 posted on 04/12/2010 6:49:22 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the chariot wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: autumnraine

Excuse me, who are you talking about?


29 posted on 04/12/2010 6:49:43 AM PDT by Verdelet (Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori!)
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To: Verdelet

Tusk. The Prime Minister of Poland.


30 posted on 04/12/2010 6:51:06 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the chariot wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: my small voice
The guilty dog barks first. I thought it interesting how quickly Putin said “I’ll personally lead this investigation”.

In a related story, the fox has taken the lead in the investigation of the missing hens.

31 posted on 04/12/2010 6:55:18 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: apillar

I think while not planned, it may have been a ‘crime of opportunity.’


32 posted on 04/12/2010 6:56:58 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: autumnraine

1. The leader is Bronislaw Komorowski (anti communist, political dissident)
2. Tusk has never been Putin’s friend, he is anti communist also, in 1980’s he created Independent Students Association which was strictly anti communist organisation, and finally he never was and he is not now anti-Jewish.


33 posted on 04/12/2010 6:57:32 AM PDT by Verdelet (Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori!)
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To: shortstop

It was my first thought and I’ve seen nothing yet to dissuade me...


34 posted on 04/12/2010 7:00:48 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: shortstop

I see pure evil in those eyes.

35 posted on 04/12/2010 7:01:00 AM PDT by McGruff (So how is that Hopey Changey thingy working out for ya America?)
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To: shortstop

Except for one small detail: it would have required a suicide pilot. How many Muslims does Russia even allow to become pilots? How many non-Muslims are willing to die to take another/others out? Risk death, sure, but certain death? Not likely.


36 posted on 04/12/2010 7:02:15 AM PDT by JimRed (To water the Tree of Liberty is to excise a cancer before it kills us. TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: shortstop

Actually the first thing I thought of when I heard about what happened was that the Russians did it. A whole lot of acrimony between the Ruskies and the Polish, that still exists.


37 posted on 04/12/2010 7:03:26 AM PDT by Feasor13
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To: WellyP
The plane was in Russia one week before the crash for MAINTENCE!

My guess is that this was a once in a lifetime opportunity that Putin simply would not let go to waste. Never turn your back on a mob boss.

38 posted on 04/12/2010 7:05:51 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: shortstop

It is also entirely possible that Chechnyan terrorists — aligned with Al Qaeda — did this intentionally to incite exactly the response they’re getting. It was certainly a target rich opportunity.


39 posted on 04/12/2010 7:06:58 AM PDT by gmp31555
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To: Verdelet
I never said he was anti-Jewish, I said anti-Israel. Komorowski is merely the "acting President", but is not President as of yet. Just because the candidate ( Kaczynski ) has died, doesn't automatically make him President. Tusk has taken over leadership in the meantime. Furthermore, please read about Tusk and his giving in to Russia against Kaczynski's will. http://wyborcza.pl/1,86871,4717458.html The first conflict between President Kaczyński and prime minister Tusk broke out over policy towards Russia. Meeting the Russian ambassador Tuesday, Mr Tusk said Poland would remove its veto against Russia's accession talks with the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development, or OECD. And finally, I feel that someone who is against sanctions (I mean not even military actions!!! Just SANCTIONS!) against Iran is anti-Israel. There is no way you think that Israel is safe when a nutjob who says they want more than anything to 'wipe Israel off the map' and is building nuclear weapons, and you don't even think they should have ANY form of punishment? Please, Tusk is anti-Israel and Putin's buddy. Even Russian TV is saying this.
40 posted on 04/12/2010 7:11:59 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the chariot wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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