Posted on 04/11/2010 3:02:29 PM PDT by InspectorSmith
"If America was living in a situation where they feared ethnicity and did not see itself as a multiparty state or nation, how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become the President of America? It is because they did away with exclusion. What has killed us here is exclusion; that once Mr. Orengo is President, I know of no other place than Ugenya. That is why we were fighting against these many Presidencies in the past. I hope that Kenya will come of age. This country must come of age. People want freedom and nations want liberation, but countries want independence."
(Excerpt) Read more at bunge.go.ke ...
why do you have the shaky video stuff again ? and why is this video in a third world country with you pontificating in a room full of people?
Was this video and the one with the “Kenyan Obama BC” shot in the same place?
I dont think you ever cleared up where your first video was shot (I have asked a bunch of times) Was it in Africa, right after you got the BC ?
Because of the now clearly trademark shaky third world stuff, I always assumed you wanted people to believe it was shot in Africa.
Are you now out of the U S ? Can you find a tripod to put the video camera on.... maybe shoot it outside and just keep it simple? Or is the background stuff somehow important to the story?
Why don’t you buy him a high def video camera and hire him a photographer next time if it bothers you so much?
Hes making enough money on fake BS to afford his own.
Hell he could have simply edited out the shaky intro so I assume he wants it in there . If he wanted it in there, why?
Simple question
Seem like kind of a stupid thing to be asking about considering there are much larger issues being debated.
Then again, you have done nothing constructive in any of these threads and have simply used them as a place for you to troll.
Its his lack of answers to simple questions that tells me the man is full of #hit.
He’d much rather be spinning a bunch of worthless crap that “proves” he’s right about some obscure point than simply produce a scrap of evidence that he has been to Africa and done what he says he has done,
He did the shaky third world intro in his first important video ...the unveiling of the BC. Now he repeats it. As I stated the only reason I could see for doing it the first time was to con people into believing it was shot in Africa.
He will not answer where that video was shot. I think he wants you to make the assumption it was in Africa.
Now here he is repeating the bit again ....and he says this was shot this month. You want to solve this , start asking the simple “stupid” questions. When he fails to answer its pretty clear the gig is up.
The question for me is not:
Was Obama born in Kenya ?..... maybe, maybe not
the question is:
Is Smith’s document a real document
He can help answer that.... but he wont
You don’t ever seem to ask him about the document, though. You ask him ‘where did you film the video’? Not important. Why do you have a shaky intro? Not important.
The questions you DO think are unimportant are the questions he is answering in regards to WND and others ‘debunking’ of his document. The actual document - not silly things like ‘where did you shoot that footage? That does nothing to prove or disprove the document.
Lucas has definitely proven that WND’s ‘debunking’ is crap. HE shows actual references in actual books he has obtained. Or maybe you think he faked those, too?
I hope he continues to shoot in this style just to piss you off. I don’t blame him for ignoring you since you really don’t add anything of importance to proving or disproving the authenticity of the document. You just troll.
You seem to really like to accuse people you disagree with of being “Trolls”
Stick around here long enough and be a little bit honest and someone will accuse you of being a “troll” some day. See if you like it
I WAS pissed off at Smith...he threw me and others off his u-Tube site rather than answer questions...
Simple Stupid Questions like these:
Do you have pictures from your trip to Africa?
answer : yes
question:will you post them?
answer : no answer
why wont you post them?...no answer
He doesnt like to be cornered.
At this point in the Smith drama though, I am more sad than angry ....not for Smith ...he does what he does and goes from one mess ( jail etc) to another .
I feel sorry for fools like you who want to believe in something so bad you will believe a con man rather than the truth which is staring you in the face.
I still think there may be something to Obama’s birth mystery...what I dont know.......
but Smith is simply taking advantage of the situation. and if he is the fraud I think he is, he isnt helping you or me or any of the people who oppose Obama and his agenda.
In fact he is doing those people a lot of harm......
Now THAT is sad
Ahhhh, now it makes sense.
As a frequent visitor to his YouTube site I am well aware of who gets kicked off, and who does not. If you went there to ask intelligent questions or participate in the discussion you wouldn’t have gotten the boot.
Because you probably went there and acted like you are acting in here yeah, you probably deserved to get the boot. Deal with it.
I don’t really have much of an opinion on the validity of the document. I don’t believe it has been proven or disproven. I’m not a document expert so I cannot verify it.
It is a very interesting document given the fact that Ang’awa was actually a neighbor of Obama Sr - and there is no way Lucas could have known THAT.
The name of the hospital at that time was also questioned - but Lucas has proven the hospital did exist by that name. Others stated Mombasa was part of Zanzibar at the time, and Lucas seems to have shot that one down as well.
You seem more intent on viewing his vacation photos so you can critique his camera work.
I also don’t see how he has made any money on this endeavor at all, you claim he has gotten rich off of it. Seems to me you don’t look for facts - you just throw out silly, irrelevant questions and unsupported accusations.
Which explains completely why you were booted from his site.
No I asked Smith the same reasonable questions I showed you.
I just backed him into a corner ....
if you really think I should be booted off this site for the way I have acted why dont you call the moderators and get me kicked off of FR ?
Now why dont you explain why you are willing to believe Smith. Is he a good friend, a relative? If so I could understand it.
Btw I am the King of England .....but dont ask me to prove it or question me.
Just so you know who you are in bed with:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2284400/posts
Also take a guess who was one of the first people to post about Smith on FR ....give up? It was me .... and at that point I too really wanted to believe.
(Cant find a link...but there are several posts)
When did I quit believing in Smith ? When I saw his first stupid video and asked myself ...What the hell is this all about ?...Is it supposed to be in Africa or something?
I would think that most believers who see his last video would ask themselves the same thing:
What is this? ...its silly.
But I guess there will always be a few stragglers like you who will cling to Smiths skirt till the end.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2306351/posts?q=1&;page=1
In this thread you go from believing, to not believing, to not knowing how to ‘right click’ and ‘zoom’ to analyze a BC that is not the one Lucas released. Great investigative work there, woofie!
I just laugh at the weak attempts to debunk his document by you, (demanding vacation photos as proof), WND (horribly shoddy work Lucas has debunked thoroughly) and Lil’ Kim (hey look! his name is spelled different in an article here than it is there). Stunningly pathetic attempts, IMO.
Your analysis leaves quite a bit to be desired. You ‘quit believing’ when he posted his first video because you didn’t understand it (’what the hell is this?’), and you wondered if the video was shot in Africa.
Then you entered his forum and jumped up and down screaming for vacation photos and attacking him personally. If you had chosen to discuss with facts regarding the document or debate civilly you would still be allowed to post there. I’ve seen many trolls come and go on his site. I know what elicits a ban - and you were banned for good reason.
Let’s say it was somebody you absolutely trust holding this document in front of Coast Province General Hospital with a professional cameraman and a camera that suited your ‘analytical requirements’. Would you then automatically believe it? Your response suggests you would - but the document itself hasn’t changed. Only the circumstances surrounding it have changed.
Ever hear of “Provenance” ? Google it
Oh ok I will help you:
Provenance
n.
Place of origin; derivation.
The history of the ownership of an object, especially when documented or authenticated. Used of artworks, antiques, and books.
The records or documents authenticating such an object or the history of its ownership.
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If you hired a professional to determine the validity of a document the Provenance is the first thing they would ask for.
In this case the Provenance of the document in question would be something like this:
The document belongs to a felon who has been incarcerated for fraud.
Felon claims document was procured in Africa.
There is NO supporting document or evidence of documents origin.
There is NO supporting document or evidence that felon has been in Africa.
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So for you I guess that would mean its real .
I really am The King of England by the way and I have pictures that will prove it ...but I wont show them to you.
But if you go to my home page at scribd.com, that is, http://www.scribd.com/Patriot1980 , you´ll see my latest document: Colonial Report Annual Kenya Colony and Protectorate 1938. You can click on it and view the entire PDF. PLEASE DOWNLOAD A COPY OF YOURSELF.
Here´s a question for Great Kim (Mik Tearg) and Woofie. Do you either of you believe that I scammed Jim Wilson Junior and his family in an attempt to sell Jim Wilson Junior a kidney to save his life???
That sequence of events was from the year 2003 (and sort of continued on into 2004).
Do either of you or anyone else here that keeps bringing up the topic of my being a con man because of this kidney story really believe that I scammed anyone?
Mik Tearg aka Great Kim claims that I (Lucas Smith) still have both of my kidneys to this day and that I killed (inadvertently or advertently) Jim Wilson Junior.
How many kidneys do you think I am walking around with today?
I (Lucas Smith) donated one left kidney and have only one now. I have always been healthy, i.e., never smoked a cigarette in my entire life, I rarely drink alcohol, I eat well balanced meals when I can, and my family has no real history of serious inherent medical problems. Chances are that I will be live just as long (if not much longer) than anyone else that has both of their kidneys. I have been documenting this story and my health since the operations. In the future I will publish a book in support of organ sales which will entail my almost perfect bill of health (I hope. So far so good).
There are no real LONG TERM STUDIES of post kidney donation health of the DONOR. When you donate a kidney the hospital and the doctors will tell you that you (the donor) only need one kidney and that one kidney is just as good as having both kidneys.
However, when I went to look up these facts I found that there really are no real LONG TERM STUDIES regarding post health of DONORS of KIDNEYS.
One of my goals in life (I have many, and have already accomplished many or them) is to help publish the FIRST real LONG TERM STUDY of POST DONATION heath of a KIDNEY DONOR.
Ya got any pictures of the kidney you donated?
No. But I have hospital records and a CERTIFICATE OF DONATION of a Kidney (with the physicians name, attending doctors name, and the transplant coordinators name). I also have the scars (though the scars are very light because it was a laprospcoptic surgery.
I’m not 100 percent sure of this just yet but, I am very close to ascertaining that ONLY the hospitals in Kenya Colony, Protectorate of Kenya and Protectorate Zanzibar issued and kept birth rand death records prior to the independences. Especially so for African births. No government birth or death records. In Zanzibar as late as 1958 ONLY THE HOSPITALS ISSUED AND KEPT BIRTH AND DEATH RECORDS.
Thank you Fred for providing links to Doctor James Ang’awa’s work in TROPICAL PEDIATRICS and also PRACTICAL IMMUNIZATION.
first of 2 posts.
I apologize to Lucas Smith and to Freerepublic.
I have made a mistake posting about Lucas’ last videos, Unfortunately I hastily ran these videos without the soundtrack. Seeing the same Dominican slum - scenes I believed this was finally Lucas’ evidence of having been in Kenya on Feb 19th 2009. I was wrong. The videos were made recently to challenge WND’s claims about Lucas’ document being a fraud.
I confirm the e-bay account I have mentioned before is Lucas Smith. Nothing wrong with him having bought original writings on E-bay.
Furthermore. I agree with Lucas that WND’s arguments for accusing Lucas of frauding are totally inconsistent. WND’s arguments are in fact a non-issue, they are simply wrong. For some reason WND thought it necessary to immediately debunk Lucas by hastily manufacturing a series of erroneous claims and theories by the professional liar Jerome Corsi. As to why they have done so after having been in contact with Lucas, I am very, very curious about.
Furthemore, and this is purely technical, Lucas is wrong when he claims that Zanzibar didn’t issue government Certificates before the 50’s. The Freddie Mercury (leader of the Queen) BC is on the net since well before Obama’s elegibility issue.
Furthermore, to the poster who does not believe Charles Edward Lincoln has accused of selling Palin’s book on E-bay, I suggest he visit Lincoln’s website.
Furthermore, and this is a general consideration. For some reason that I hope will be clarified soon, Lucas is obsessed with WND’s ridiculous claims. This excercise at WND bashing, which I endorse, is however a distraction from the more substantial accusations others, including myself, have brought up:
Dr.Maganga was not yet the Chief Admninistrator of CPGH on FEb 19th 2009
Dr.Maganga’s name is mispelled both in signature and in stamp
His document form is totally different from the one Kenya adopted at independence from the former colonial laws and which is to be issued by the registrar and not by hospitals. Hospitals are required to provide a birth notification which parents must bring to the registrar in order to abtain a certificate. This procedure is valid today as well as proven by the many recent articles on Kenyan papers about schholchildren being required to hols a valid bc.
Furthermore I would like to address those who defend Lucas agians my demands for answers by claiming he is wise not to release sensible information and owes me no answer. Yes but why then does he feel the need to reply to WND’s accusations ?
I would be satisfied with Lucas giving evidence about who he believes was the CA on Feb 19th 2009
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